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> I hate to say this but it looked like a long cylindrical object that almost looked like a cruise missile type of thing Holy smokes, that would be quite alarm

> I hate to say this but it looked like a long cylindrical object that almost looked like a cruise missile type of thing Holy smokes, that would be quite alarming. American Airlines confirms...the radio transmission was from one of their pilots. OK. It will be interesting to see how the 6-month pentagon directive goes. (I personally have no opinion on this, as to weapon or sky dolphins or aliens) One of my pet theories is that there is no big "coverup of the known" with UFOs. Instead it's a coverup of the unknown. We humans have basically built up a pile of experiential-scientific debt, due to leftover 20th century "don't look into it, don't ask questions" psychology which was rampant in world militaries and governments. If there's a UFO coverup, it's likely a natural human coverup due to leftover human evolutionary speedbumps like the delayed-frightened animal response. One specific example: “There’s no doubt it was something beyond anything we know or understand. […] I have concerns, but I don’t think we can do anything about it. I think this is beyond us. So: Quit worrying about it.” --Lt. Colonel Charles Halt, USAF, who actually experienced the Rendlesham Forest incident (Can you imagine a military leader with similar psychology managing a department of UFO research?) Another researcher's take: “…not only is there a UFO coverup, but they [government / miltary] simply have no idea what they are. They really don’t.” --John Greenwald IMO we should train our elected and appointed leadership to look into things--otherwise in many cases they will refuse to do so when their subjective leanings are calling the shots. This is basic, foundational strategy for contingencies...

low_common 6y ago
What is your conclusion here/what are you saying. Are you claiming this could be extraterrestrial?
- vulcan01 6y ago
  Not the OP, but sometimes I wonder whether some of these events are effects of testing by foreign militaries, and the DoD wants to hide knowledge of foreign military technology (because maybe they're trying to copy it).
  - themodelplumber 6y ago
    Interesting but it raises some questions that get really weird fast: A) The contents of these experiences tend to swing toward "random and subjective, but in a funny, objective way" which would eventually, logically lead to the conclusion that e.g. mind control is directly available and usable--so why not use it like a government would? B) Which experiences fall within this scope? Which do not? How could you start to identify them and develop an idea as to purpose? And C) in the event of any disclosure from moles or leaks inside _any_ military that's involved, I would expect it to hit the fan very fast, on any side you can name. The details are going to be key, and there are way too many hand-wave explanations that involve broad gestures toward "government stuff".
- themodelplumber 6y ago
  My point is that A) coming to a conclusion as to what the object is may be way too early, and B) the coverup that urgently needs to be exploded and brought to a conclusion ASAP is the "don't look into things" approach to things we don't already know about. Again: I personally have no opinion on this, as to weapon or sky dolphins or aliens.
meepmorp 6y ago
Or, you know, it could just be secret military aircraft from one of the multiple bases in the general area.
- themodelplumber 6y ago
  Does it even have to be a secret aircraft? Unless the pilots have relevant qualification, it doesn't even necessarily look the way they described it, due to any number of physics factors. That's why I said--I have no opinion as to what it is. Why leap to conclusions in either direction, which just gets subjective way too early? If you're saying, "it's probably..." then that's your call, but being so subjective, the attractiveness of having reached an answer so fast could also prevent you from learning that it's something else. A.k.a blindspot.
pts_ 6y ago
Same as covid response. Which is unbelievable.
hammock 6y ago
>“There’s no doubt it was something beyond anything we know or understand. […] I have concerns, but I don’t think we can do anything about it. I think this is beyond us. So: Quit worrying about it.” --Lt. Colonel Charles Halt, USAF, who actually experienced the Rendlesham Forest incident Col Halt is not a UFO researcher. He has other primary duties. David Fravor (the tic tac guy) does a good job on Lex Fridman's podcast of explaining why the folks that experience these things can't/don't/won't do anything about it. Basically it's somebody else's job. So don't blame them.

low_common 6y ago

What is your conclusion here/what are you saying. Are you claiming this could be extraterrestrial?

vulcan01 6y ago
Not the OP, but sometimes I wonder whether some of these events are effects of testing by foreign militaries, and the DoD wants to hide knowledge of foreign military technology (because maybe they're trying to copy it).
- themodelplumber 6y ago
  Interesting but it raises some questions that get really weird fast: A) The contents of these experiences tend to swing toward "random and subjective, but in a funny, objective way" which would eventually, logically lead to the conclusion that e.g. mind control is directly available and usable--so why not use it like a government would? B) Which experiences fall within this scope? Which do not? How could you start to identify them and develop an idea as to purpose? And C) in the event of any disclosure from moles or leaks inside _any_ military that's involved, I would expect it to hit the fan very fast, on any side you can name. The details are going to be key, and there are way too many hand-wave explanations that involve broad gestures toward "government stuff".
themodelplumber 6y ago
My point is that A) coming to a conclusion as to what the object is may be way too early, and B) the coverup that urgently needs to be exploded and brought to a conclusion ASAP is the "don't look into things" approach to things we don't already know about. Again: I personally have no opinion on this, as to weapon or sky dolphins or aliens.

meepmorp 6y ago

Or, you know, it could just be secret military aircraft from one of the multiple bases in the general area.

themodelplumber 6y ago
Does it even have to be a secret aircraft? Unless the pilots have relevant qualification, it doesn't even necessarily look the way they described it, due to any number of physics factors. That's why I said--I have no opinion as to what it is. Why leap to conclusions in either direction, which just gets subjective way too early? If you're saying, "it's probably..." then that's your call, but being so subjective, the attractiveness of having reached an answer so fast could also prevent you from learning that it's something else. A.k.a blindspot.

pts_ 6y ago

Same as covid response. Which is unbelievable.

hammock 6y ago

>“There’s no doubt it was something beyond anything we know or understand. […] I have concerns, but I don’t think we can do anything about it. I think this is beyond us. So: Quit worrying about it.” --Lt. Colonel Charles Halt, USAF, who actually experienced the Rendlesham Forest incident Col Halt is not a UFO researcher. He has other primary duties. David Fravor (the tic tac guy) does a good job on Lex Fridman's podcast of explaining why the folks that experience these things can't/don't/won't do anything about it. Basically it's somebody else's job. So don't blame them.