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Coca Cola Confirms Training Employees ‘Try to Be Less White’

eloff 6y ago
Is there actually a good, logical argument for doing this kind of thing, or have people just lost their minds? I think it's the latter, but I'd love if someone could steel-man the other side.
- polka_haunts_us 6y ago
  A lot of job shit doesn't make any sense. What does make sense is I don't get to eat if I don't have a job, and I don't have a job if I don't put up with the job bullshit. For some people that's sitting through 8 hours of videos on how to properly pick up a box so they can get that UPS hub job where they never once actually lift a box like in the videos, for others its sitting through 8 hours of diversity training so they can go back to the office and continue to treat everybody like they did before, for better or for worse. At the end of the day, I think it's bullshit, but I'm still eating.
- wmf 6y ago
  There are some prominent books on anti-racism. I haven't read them myself but that's where I would start.
MikeUt 6y ago
"To be less white is to: [..] break with white solidarity" All other forms of ethnic solidarity are encouraged, so how viable is it for whites to act as enlightened aracial individualists?
- sep_field 6y ago
  The issue is that there is a power imbalance: since, in the United States we are living in a white supremacist society, ethnic solidarity among whites exacerbates the power imbalance, whereas ethnic solidarity among non-whites helps correct the power imbalance. Eventually we could get to a world where no ethnic solidarity exists at any level but until power imbalances are corrected, not speaking and acting against white supremacy is just asking for the status quo to be upheld.
  - throwawayyy1986 6y ago
    > since we are living in a white supremacist society Speak for yourself and be my guest to confess whatever racist stuff you think you engage in regularly.
    - sep_field 6y ago
      I edited my comment to clarify that the white supremacist society is the status quo in the United States. It also exists in some other countries. Certain countries have other supremacy issues; I've heard that in China, Han supremacy is a huge problem, but I can't speak to that as I haven't been there. If you live in the US, and you don't see white supremacy, I encourage you to pay attention to what non-white people have to say about their experiences.
      - machinecontrol 6y ago
        Branding everyone who disagrees with you a white supremacist is not a good way to win supporters to your cause. I encourage you to de-program yourself by paying attention t what those who have different opinions have to say about their experiences.
      - throwawayyy1986 6y ago
        > If you live in the US, and you don't see white supremacy, I encourage you to pay attention to what non-white people have to say about their experiences. That's like saying: "Q is everywhere and if you don't think so, I encourage you to listen to some Q supporters." I encourage you to maybe focus on your worldview that monomaniacally reduces the entire world to an arena of skin color - never qualifying things, unable to contextualize. Frankly, anti-racism is fundamentalism. We traditionally called people that think in those terms: racists.
  - fork1 6y ago
    Two wrongs don't make a right. The issue is when you reduce people to nothing but their "color".

Is there actually a good, logical argument for doing this kind of thing, or have people just lost their minds? I think it's the latter, but I'd love if someone could steel-man the other side.

polka_haunts_us 6y ago
A lot of job shit doesn't make any sense. What does make sense is I don't get to eat if I don't have a job, and I don't have a job if I don't put up with the job bullshit. For some people that's sitting through 8 hours of videos on how to properly pick up a box so they can get that UPS hub job where they never once actually lift a box like in the videos, for others its sitting through 8 hours of diversity training so they can go back to the office and continue to treat everybody like they did before, for better or for worse. At the end of the day, I think it's bullshit, but I'm still eating.
wmf 6y ago
There are some prominent books on anti-racism. I haven't read them myself but that's where I would start.

MikeUt 6y ago

"To be less white is to: [..] break with white solidarity" All other forms of ethnic solidarity are encouraged, so how viable is it for whites to act as enlightened aracial individualists?

sep_field 6y ago
The issue is that there is a power imbalance: since, in the United States we are living in a white supremacist society, ethnic solidarity among whites exacerbates the power imbalance, whereas ethnic solidarity among non-whites helps correct the power imbalance. Eventually we could get to a world where no ethnic solidarity exists at any level but until power imbalances are corrected, not speaking and acting against white supremacy is just asking for the status quo to be upheld.
- throwawayyy1986 6y ago
  > since we are living in a white supremacist society Speak for yourself and be my guest to confess whatever racist stuff you think you engage in regularly.
  - sep_field 6y ago
    I edited my comment to clarify that the white supremacist society is the status quo in the United States. It also exists in some other countries. Certain countries have other supremacy issues; I've heard that in China, Han supremacy is a huge problem, but I can't speak to that as I haven't been there. If you live in the US, and you don't see white supremacy, I encourage you to pay attention to what non-white people have to say about their experiences.
    - machinecontrol 6y ago
      Branding everyone who disagrees with you a white supremacist is not a good way to win supporters to your cause. I encourage you to de-program yourself by paying attention t what those who have different opinions have to say about their experiences.
    - throwawayyy1986 6y ago
      > If you live in the US, and you don't see white supremacy, I encourage you to pay attention to what non-white people have to say about their experiences. That's like saying: "Q is everywhere and if you don't think so, I encourage you to listen to some Q supporters." I encourage you to maybe focus on your worldview that monomaniacally reduces the entire world to an arena of skin color - never qualifying things, unable to contextualize. Frankly, anti-racism is fundamentalism. We traditionally called people that think in those terms: racists.
- fork1 6y ago
  Two wrongs don't make a right. The issue is when you reduce people to nothing but their "color".