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"I've experienced a pretty wide range of harassment," she said. "Everything from the casual mansplaining-reply guys... Incredible that the whole article (basic

"I've experienced a pretty wide range of harassment," she said. "Everything from the casual mansplaining-reply guys... Incredible that the whole article (basically an ad) is full of attacks on people based on their gender and skin color, while singing the buzzwords of diversity snd tolerance. American society truly is bizarre.

jakelazaroff 6y ago
I grepped the article and I don't see anything that could be interpreted as such. Here is the single instance of the word "white": > As she sees it, it's because the predominately white men who start, run and invest in most big tech companies are less likely to personally experience harassment. And here's the single other instance of the word "men": > As she sees it, it's because the predominately white men who start, run and invest in most big tech companies are less likely to personally experience harassment. Basically every other mention of gender or race is some variant of "women and people of color are particularly targeted for online abuse". What are you reading as "attacks on people based on their gender and skin color"?
- adjkant 6y ago
  So does anyone want to you know, respond to a question that literally just is declaring facts about words used in the article, or just silently downvote it because they don't like the "side" the point is coming from?
readflaggedcomm 6y ago
Lived experience isn't a buzzword.
- sir_bearington 6y ago
  Lived experience is definitely a buzzword used to try and instill more credibility in anecdotes.
  - leesalminen 6y ago
    Agree 100% that it is a trendy buzzword with an instilled connotation. But, it is also a real thing. It’s all too common to see people say online “the statistics say you’re wrong, so it must’ve not happened”. One’s life isn’t a collection of statistics, but of anecdotes. With that being said, I enjoy using this phrase as a buzzword with my wife when she tries to tell me I’m wrong about an opinion I hold based off my lived experience. She finds it infuriating ;).
    - sir_bearington 6y ago
      When people point to statistics in response to "lived experiences" they're not denying that it ever happened. They're refuting the claim (implicit or explicit) that this experience is representative of some broader whole. The plural of anecdote is not "data". For instance if someone says they experienced X event, but statistics say that X only happens to 1% of people it's entirely fair to bring up the fact that empirical evidence suggests it's a rare occurrence.
      - leesalminen 6y ago
        Sometimes, usually so on HN. Sometimes I’ve seen “well, the statistics say that this only happens 1% of the time so you’re probably lying”. That’s usually on Reddit.
  - readflaggedcomm 6y ago
    "Lived experience" may be, which the GP did not mention, but Chou's lived experience isn't. She sang not buzzwords but hardship.
  - bigiain 6y ago
    Anecdotes is definitely a buzzword used to belittle personal stories and to claim credibility with a thin veneer of academic/legalistic language overtones.
nostromo 6y ago
Most Americans agree that viewing everything from an identity lens is wrong -- but powerful corporations and the media control what is said and heard -- and they universally support this. It's spread far and wide. Coca-cola, for example, was just in the news for telling its workers to be less white. To what extent the powerful people promoting critical race theory believe it -- as opposed to feeling compelled to promote it or be called racist and "canceled" -- is hard to determine.
- jMyles 6y ago
  > Most Americans agree that viewing everything from an identity lens is wrong Interestingly, it seems especially clear that Black and Indingeous leaders are especially skeptical of identity politics. (at least this is my experience; I'm white.) Get involved in mutual aid or mobilization for your local BLM / defund the police actions. I'll be surprised if this doesn't comport with your experience. And yet...
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DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
it seems the definition for "reply-guy" is quite broad and could include anything from an "unwanted opinion" by a person with the "wrong" ideology in their own profile, to ad-hominem attacks. the right part of the quote of what she dealt with is IMO relevant and should be quoted in full to keep the message intact (for anyone who hasn't read the actual article): > "Everything from the casual mansplaining-reply guys to really targeted, persistent harassment and stalking and explicit threats that have led me to have to go to the police and file reports." reply-guy is IMO (in its weakest form) a product of the twitter algorithm that divides and makes people try to interact in hope of getting seen. But it's the whole range she talks about.
hellomyguys 6y ago
If the founder created the product based on their own online experiences and they happen to be an Asian woman it makes complete sense she would talk about the product from that perspective... Do you really find it surprising a lot of online harassment is targeted towards women and minorities? And is it abrasive to point that out?
- serf 6y ago
  Without really answering your question, I think any pejorative that is based around generalizing an entire behavior as the result of biology/gender/sex is pretty offensive. In other words, phrases like 'mansplaining' are just as offensive as phrases like 'man-up' or 'stop being such a girl' when being said with a serious or negative tone; and I think the use of such language exacerbates the problem rather than simply pointing it out. Yes, I think that language is abrasive and contrary to the goal of unification. No, I don't find it surprising that the internet can be a horrible place.
  - hellomyguys 6y ago
    Yes, in a vacuum maybe, but given the context of the world and history, I personally do not find it offensive for a woman to complain about men in a generalized way, given... you know all of human history... Punching up vs punching down
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dang 6y ago
Please don't add nationalistic flamewar on top of all the other flamewar. The idea here is to step out of the circles of hell, not deeper in. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

jakelazaroff 6y ago

I grepped the article and I don't see anything that could be interpreted as such. Here is the single instance of the word "white": > As she sees it, it's because the predominately white men who start, run and invest in most big tech companies are less likely to personally experience harassment. And here's the single other instance of the word "men": > As she sees it, it's because the predominately white men who start, run and invest in most big tech companies are less likely to personally experience harassment. Basically every other mention of gender or race is some variant of "women and people of color are particularly targeted for online abuse". What are you reading as "attacks on people based on their gender and skin color"?

adjkant 6y ago
So does anyone want to you know, respond to a question that literally just is declaring facts about words used in the article, or just silently downvote it because they don't like the "side" the point is coming from?

readflaggedcomm 6y ago

Lived experience isn't a buzzword.

sir_bearington 6y ago
Lived experience is definitely a buzzword used to try and instill more credibility in anecdotes.
- leesalminen 6y ago
  Agree 100% that it is a trendy buzzword with an instilled connotation. But, it is also a real thing. It’s all too common to see people say online “the statistics say you’re wrong, so it must’ve not happened”. One’s life isn’t a collection of statistics, but of anecdotes. With that being said, I enjoy using this phrase as a buzzword with my wife when she tries to tell me I’m wrong about an opinion I hold based off my lived experience. She finds it infuriating ;).
  - sir_bearington 6y ago
    When people point to statistics in response to "lived experiences" they're not denying that it ever happened. They're refuting the claim (implicit or explicit) that this experience is representative of some broader whole. The plural of anecdote is not "data". For instance if someone says they experienced X event, but statistics say that X only happens to 1% of people it's entirely fair to bring up the fact that empirical evidence suggests it's a rare occurrence.
    - leesalminen 6y ago
      Sometimes, usually so on HN. Sometimes I’ve seen “well, the statistics say that this only happens 1% of the time so you’re probably lying”. That’s usually on Reddit.
- readflaggedcomm 6y ago
  "Lived experience" may be, which the GP did not mention, but Chou's lived experience isn't. She sang not buzzwords but hardship.
- bigiain 6y ago
  Anecdotes is definitely a buzzword used to belittle personal stories and to claim credibility with a thin veneer of academic/legalistic language overtones.

nostromo 6y ago

Most Americans agree that viewing everything from an identity lens is wrong -- but powerful corporations and the media control what is said and heard -- and they universally support this. It's spread far and wide. Coca-cola, for example, was just in the news for telling its workers to be less white. To what extent the powerful people promoting critical race theory believe it -- as opposed to feeling compelled to promote it or be called racist and "canceled" -- is hard to determine.

jMyles 6y ago
> Most Americans agree that viewing everything from an identity lens is wrong Interestingly, it seems especially clear that Black and Indingeous leaders are especially skeptical of identity politics. (at least this is my experience; I'm white.) Get involved in mutual aid or mobilization for your local BLM / defund the police actions. I'll be surprised if this doesn't comport with your experience. And yet...
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DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

it seems the definition for "reply-guy" is quite broad and could include anything from an "unwanted opinion" by a person with the "wrong" ideology in their own profile, to ad-hominem attacks. the right part of the quote of what she dealt with is IMO relevant and should be quoted in full to keep the message intact (for anyone who hasn't read the actual article): > "Everything from the casual mansplaining-reply guys to really targeted, persistent harassment and stalking and explicit threats that have led me to have to go to the police and file reports." reply-guy is IMO (in its weakest form) a product of the twitter algorithm that divides and makes people try to interact in hope of getting seen. But it's the whole range she talks about.

hellomyguys 6y ago

If the founder created the product based on their own online experiences and they happen to be an Asian woman it makes complete sense she would talk about the product from that perspective... Do you really find it surprising a lot of online harassment is targeted towards women and minorities? And is it abrasive to point that out?

serf 6y ago
Without really answering your question, I think any pejorative that is based around generalizing an entire behavior as the result of biology/gender/sex is pretty offensive. In other words, phrases like 'mansplaining' are just as offensive as phrases like 'man-up' or 'stop being such a girl' when being said with a serious or negative tone; and I think the use of such language exacerbates the problem rather than simply pointing it out. Yes, I think that language is abrasive and contrary to the goal of unification. No, I don't find it surprising that the internet can be a horrible place.
- hellomyguys 6y ago
  Yes, in a vacuum maybe, but given the context of the world and history, I personally do not find it offensive for a woman to complain about men in a generalized way, given... you know all of human history... Punching up vs punching down
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]

dang 6y ago

Please don't add nationalistic flamewar on top of all the other flamewar. The idea here is to step out of the circles of hell, not deeper in. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html