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Is Fox News or MSNBC significantly better? I think people should be skeptical of any news platform which can easily be centrally controlled and manipulated. H

by cwkoss 6y ago

Is Fox News or MSNBC significantly better? I think people should be skeptical of any news platform which can easily be centrally controlled and manipulated. However, there is likely journalistic value to be found in some portion of those user-created news stories. "Vehemently reject"ing user-created news seems to overly discount the flaws of mass media journalism: filter bubbles and misinformation are not new problems, and large organizations tend to have greater bias towards state interests. For example, I don't believe the national outrage over George Floyd would have occurred if everyone still got their news from mass media.

WoahNoun 6y ago
I have yet to witness MSNBC pour their efforts into deliberate misinformation. They clearly have a bias, but they are at least peddling correct information.
- cwkoss 6y ago
  I think "deliberate" is a hard thing to determine with available information, and Politifact has certainly has selection bias is what they check and some ratings are questionable, but I think this demonstrates that they don't always 'peddle correct information': https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=rachel-maddow https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=rachel-m... I do think MSNBC's MO tends towards bending truth to make emotional appeals against ideological opponents rather than reporting outright fabrications, such as: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/zerlina-maxwell/was-bernie-sanders-mute-race-gender-top-his-2020-k/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/zerlina-ma... Also, a lot of their Russiagate reporting was questionably and thinly sourced. I suspect it will be a couple more years before the public gets enough substantive facts to outright call their reporting and analysis on this topic "false" or "intentionally misleading" but they certainly had a number of questionable segments.
  - WoahNoun 6y ago
    The latest "False" fact check on that page is from 2015. Meaning that she went through the 2016 primary, 2016 election, the entire Trump presidency, and the 2020 election since the last time Polifact rated one of her claims false. And the claim was sourced from Pew Research but mistakenly interpreted. Meanwhile on Fox News, Tucker Carlson had a "pants on fire" just last week. https://www.politifact.com/personalities/tucker-carlson/ https://www.politifact.com/personalities/tucker-carlson/

by cwkoss 6y ago

WoahNoun 6y ago

I have yet to witness MSNBC pour their efforts into deliberate misinformation. They clearly have a bias, but they are at least peddling correct information.

cwkoss 6y ago
I think "deliberate" is a hard thing to determine with available information, and Politifact has certainly has selection bias is what they check and some ratings are questionable, but I think this demonstrates that they don't always 'peddle correct information': https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=rachel-maddow https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=rachel-m... I do think MSNBC's MO tends towards bending truth to make emotional appeals against ideological opponents rather than reporting outright fabrications, such as: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/zerlina-maxwell/was-bernie-sanders-mute-race-gender-top-his-2020-k/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/zerlina-ma... Also, a lot of their Russiagate reporting was questionably and thinly sourced. I suspect it will be a couple more years before the public gets enough substantive facts to outright call their reporting and analysis on this topic "false" or "intentionally misleading" but they certainly had a number of questionable segments.
- WoahNoun 6y ago
  The latest "False" fact check on that page is from 2015. Meaning that she went through the 2016 primary, 2016 election, the entire Trump presidency, and the 2020 election since the last time Polifact rated one of her claims false. And the claim was sourced from Pew Research but mistakenly interpreted. Meanwhile on Fox News, Tucker Carlson had a "pants on fire" just last week. https://www.politifact.com/personalities/tucker-carlson/ https://www.politifact.com/personalities/tucker-carlson/