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> If you hire one with a CS degree they will probably be decent. I'm saying from experience, this is not the case. I've found ivy league CS students to consist

> If you hire one with a CS degree they will probably be decent. I'm saying from experience, this is not the case. I've found ivy league CS students to consistently under perform. School in general is not a strong signal, but for whatever reason the ivys consistently produce people who struggle to ship. My original point is that OSS contribution is a strong signal and what people should look at if they want strong developers. I'm sure other industries have other work oriented methods for determining aptitude.

ska 6y ago
> I'm saying from experience, this is not the case And I'm saying from experience this is the case - so I guess we're at an impasse due to selection bias. Maybe I've just had better luck in picking them. Agree there are other better signals sometimes available. For what it's worth "has a CS degree" isn't a great indicator for a developer at all in my experience, with a very few programs excepted (e.g. CMU, Waterloo). But this has nothing to do with ivy vs. non-ivy. The idea that ivy's are awash with people having little talent is still just silly though.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  > Agree there are other better signals sometimes available. For what it's worth "has a CS degree" isn't a great indicator for a developer at all in my experience Totally agree. > The idea that ivy's are awash with people having little talent is still just silly though. I would say it's more that they are average but the degree tends to float them to the top of a stack of cvs, so there's a premium you pay in terms of attention (and money if you hire them) that in my experience, is not worth it.