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> Why does a classics degree cost the same as a CS degree when the market value of a classics degree is basically zero? Maybe I am deluding myself because my d

> Why does a classics degree cost the same as a CS degree when the market value of a classics degree is basically zero? Maybe I am deluding myself because my daughter has decided to get an expensive classics degree, but the most valuable skill one can acquire in college is how to communicate, particularly how to write well. The second most valuable skill is learning how to master complicated material. Each major teaches these skills in a different way, but the value of learning these skills is basically the same however you accomplish it. It might be easier to get a high paying job right out of school with a CS degree, but the ability to communicate and the ability to learn will still pay dividends long after your technical knowledge is obsolete.

ativzzz 6y ago
While those skills are useful for life, they are "worth" nothing in the marketplace without the ability to sell yourself. Ultimately a classics degree only limits her job options in the short term. An engineer can go be an engineer, or transition to anything a classics grad can be, assuming both can sell themselves equally well. (if we are assuming high quality white collar jobs that pay well and have good career prospects) Of course, college brand name greatly contributes to "selling yourself", so an expensive classics degree from Harvard is at a significant advantage over an engineering degree from some no-name university for non-engineering roles.
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musicale 6y ago
> It might be easier to get a high paying job right out of school with a CS degree, but the ability to communicate and the ability to learn will still pay dividends long after your technical knowledge is obsolete This 100% - you said it better than I did. It's the underlying concepts and meta-skills that stay with you, and most "knowledge worker" jobs - not to mention real life - depend heavily on communication and learning to master complexity. Even in CS I'd say that while the technology quickly becomes "obsolete" the general concepts and ways of thinking (not to mention underlying math and theory) last a lot longer.
x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
I think you are romanticizing the idea of a liberal arts degree. To put it shortly, engineers, certified mechanics, HVAC folks and other never have to go to such means to justify the existence of their educational programs. Only when we are talking about true liberal arts, do we see people wax poetic about everything other than the usefulness of the subject material.
ghaff 6y ago
Probably one of the more relevant things I did in school was working on the newspapers. I was an engineering major and am still in technology but basically in a totally different field and I'm as much a writer as anything else at this point.
JamesBarney 6y ago
> but the most valuable skill one can acquire in college is how to communicate, particularly how to write well If writing well is to do it simply, concisely, and interestingly, then I don't think anyone tried to teach me any useful skills related to writing after eighth grade. I learned more reading "On Writing Well" in a bookstore waiting for my dad to buy a book in my 30s than I learned between 9th grade and the end of my B.S. I don't remember anyone teaching any classes on how to learn. Would be incredibly surprised if the classics had changed that much since I went to school. There are skills that are useful to learning how to learn like how to use Anki, interweaving, visualization, chunking, etc.. but all of that information comes out of psychology research so I'd be surprised if it was taught in any of the classics.

ativzzz 6y ago

While those skills are useful for life, they are "worth" nothing in the marketplace without the ability to sell yourself. Ultimately a classics degree only limits her job options in the short term. An engineer can go be an engineer, or transition to anything a classics grad can be, assuming both can sell themselves equally well. (if we are assuming high quality white collar jobs that pay well and have good career prospects) Of course, college brand name greatly contributes to "selling yourself", so an expensive classics degree from Harvard is at a significant advantage over an engineering degree from some no-name university for non-engineering roles.

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musicale 6y ago

> It might be easier to get a high paying job right out of school with a CS degree, but the ability to communicate and the ability to learn will still pay dividends long after your technical knowledge is obsolete This 100% - you said it better than I did. It's the underlying concepts and meta-skills that stay with you, and most "knowledge worker" jobs - not to mention real life - depend heavily on communication and learning to master complexity. Even in CS I'd say that while the technology quickly becomes "obsolete" the general concepts and ways of thinking (not to mention underlying math and theory) last a lot longer.

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago

I think you are romanticizing the idea of a liberal arts degree. To put it shortly, engineers, certified mechanics, HVAC folks and other never have to go to such means to justify the existence of their educational programs. Only when we are talking about true liberal arts, do we see people wax poetic about everything other than the usefulness of the subject material.

ghaff 6y ago

Probably one of the more relevant things I did in school was working on the newspapers. I was an engineering major and am still in technology but basically in a totally different field and I'm as much a writer as anything else at this point.

JamesBarney 6y ago

> but the most valuable skill one can acquire in college is how to communicate, particularly how to write well If writing well is to do it simply, concisely, and interestingly, then I don't think anyone tried to teach me any useful skills related to writing after eighth grade. I learned more reading "On Writing Well" in a bookstore waiting for my dad to buy a book in my 30s than I learned between 9th grade and the end of my B.S. I don't remember anyone teaching any classes on how to learn. Would be incredibly surprised if the classics had changed that much since I went to school. There are skills that are useful to learning how to learn like how to use Anki, interweaving, visualization, chunking, etc.. but all of that information comes out of psychology research so I'd be surprised if it was taught in any of the classics.