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I think the magnitude of the lies on the Fox side is far larger than those on the CNBC side. Magnitude matters in this case and painting them with "both sides"

by e40 6y ago

I think the magnitude of the lies on the Fox side is far larger than those on the CNBC side. Magnitude matters in this case and painting them with "both sides" arguments is a huge disservice.

drak0n1c 6y ago
MSNBC has a history of misinformation contributing to the highly polarized environment today. Here is a video showing how MSNBC purposefully cropped footage of an armed protester at an Obama townhall to hide his race (he was black), and used the clip to immediately launch into a discussion claiming that town hall protesters were motivated by racism. Soon after that media cycle my peers in college started assuming that most criticism of Obama is motivated by racism. These kinds of attitudes directly contributed to the current culture war of bad faith ostracism and tribalism. https://youtu.be/fvBQDHqdCck?t=130 https://youtu.be/fvBQDHqdCck?t=130 Remember, a left wing activist also took violent action and shot up Congressmen at a baseball field. The argument of a "sufficient level" of misinformation and/or butterfly-effect-violence can be used to justify arbitrary intimidation and censorship against any outlet.
- e40 6y ago
  I'm not suggesting MSNBC is not guilty of this. Look at the sheer volume of lies and misinformation on the Fox News network. There is just no comparison.
rayiner 6y ago
> think the magnitude of the lies on the Fox side is far larger than those on the CNBC side. It’s not a scaler. There is the overt-ness of the lie, as well as the significance of the lie. Fox gives air to some significant and bald-faced lies. MSNBC gives air to a lot of misconceptions that are monumental in scope but less bald-faced. On the flip side, the journalism side of Fox stood up to the bald-faced lie about the election. Nobody at MSNBC never stands up to the less bald-faced misconceptions aired on that network. With respect to elections. Trump made up a big lie about one election that Fox’s news side pushed back on, and which some opinion commenters face air too. MSNBC has given air to less bold lies about election integrity ever since 2000. How many people know from watching left-leaning media that 7 of 9 justices, with two Democrats agreeing with five Republicans, thought the Florida recount was unconstitutional? In other examples, look at COVID response. Do you think people watching CNN have an accurate idea of where US COVID deaths stands in comparison to similar countries?
cwkoss 6y ago
I don't watch MSNBC (or any TV news for that matter), but I'm curious how their reporting has changed since Biden was sworn in. It's easier to report facts that 'speak truth to power' when your bias is opposed to who currently holds power. Biden has delayed, compromised on, or walked back nearly every campaign promise he made. Has MSNBC been calling out these discrepancies between campaign rhetoric and implementation? I would be surprised if they were making substantive criticism of the Biden administration.
- tiahura 6y ago
  What Ever Happened to Daniel Dale? CNN Fact-Checker Has Disappeared From Air Post-Trump https://www.mediaite.com/news/what-ever-happened-to-daniel-dale-cnn-fact-checker-has-disappeared-from-air-post-trump/ https://www.mediaite.com/news/what-ever-happened-to-daniel-d... Since joining CNN in June of 2019, Dale has appeared or been mentioned on the network more than once every other day on average, according to the Internet Archive. That exposure dropped sharply after November 4, and according to the TV Eyes media monitoring database, since President Joe Biden’s inauguration on January 20, Dale has only appeared on the network once. And that appearance, last Friday, was to fact-check Donald Trump’s lawyers.
- scsilver 6y ago
  The Biden administration has been in power for a month. I think you are being a bit hyperbolic about its failure and lack of criticism by msnbc. Which campaign promises have been rolled back if I can ask?
  - cwkoss 6y ago
    $2000 checks, ending kids in cages, $15 minimum wage, $50k student loan forgiveness
duck 6y ago
One important question related to this is if a news org doesn't cover a valid story? Is that lying by omission? Probably not, but from an audience standpoint is there really a difference?

by e40 6y ago

I think the magnitude of the lies on the Fox side is far larger than those on the CNBC side. Magnitude matters in this case and painting them with "both sides" arguments is a huge disservice.

drak0n1c 6y ago

MSNBC has a history of misinformation contributing to the highly polarized environment today. Here is a video showing how MSNBC purposefully cropped footage of an armed protester at an Obama townhall to hide his race (he was black), and used the clip to immediately launch into a discussion claiming that town hall protesters were motivated by racism. Soon after that media cycle my peers in college started assuming that most criticism of Obama is motivated by racism. These kinds of attitudes directly contributed to the current culture war of bad faith ostracism and tribalism. https://youtu.be/fvBQDHqdCck?t=130 https://youtu.be/fvBQDHqdCck?t=130 Remember, a left wing activist also took violent action and shot up Congressmen at a baseball field. The argument of a "sufficient level" of misinformation and/or butterfly-effect-violence can be used to justify arbitrary intimidation and censorship against any outlet.

e40 6y ago
I'm not suggesting MSNBC is not guilty of this. Look at the sheer volume of lies and misinformation on the Fox News network. There is just no comparison.

rayiner 6y ago

> think the magnitude of the lies on the Fox side is far larger than those on the CNBC side. It’s not a scaler. There is the overt-ness of the lie, as well as the significance of the lie. Fox gives air to some significant and bald-faced lies. MSNBC gives air to a lot of misconceptions that are monumental in scope but less bald-faced. On the flip side, the journalism side of Fox stood up to the bald-faced lie about the election. Nobody at MSNBC never stands up to the less bald-faced misconceptions aired on that network. With respect to elections. Trump made up a big lie about one election that Fox’s news side pushed back on, and which some opinion commenters face air too. MSNBC has given air to less bold lies about election integrity ever since 2000. How many people know from watching left-leaning media that 7 of 9 justices, with two Democrats agreeing with five Republicans, thought the Florida recount was unconstitutional? In other examples, look at COVID response. Do you think people watching CNN have an accurate idea of where US COVID deaths stands in comparison to similar countries?

cwkoss 6y ago

I don't watch MSNBC (or any TV news for that matter), but I'm curious how their reporting has changed since Biden was sworn in. It's easier to report facts that 'speak truth to power' when your bias is opposed to who currently holds power. Biden has delayed, compromised on, or walked back nearly every campaign promise he made. Has MSNBC been calling out these discrepancies between campaign rhetoric and implementation? I would be surprised if they were making substantive criticism of the Biden administration.

tiahura 6y ago
What Ever Happened to Daniel Dale? CNN Fact-Checker Has Disappeared From Air Post-Trump https://www.mediaite.com/news/what-ever-happened-to-daniel-dale-cnn-fact-checker-has-disappeared-from-air-post-trump/ https://www.mediaite.com/news/what-ever-happened-to-daniel-d... Since joining CNN in June of 2019, Dale has appeared or been mentioned on the network more than once every other day on average, according to the Internet Archive. That exposure dropped sharply after November 4, and according to the TV Eyes media monitoring database, since President Joe Biden’s inauguration on January 20, Dale has only appeared on the network once. And that appearance, last Friday, was to fact-check Donald Trump’s lawyers.
scsilver 6y ago
The Biden administration has been in power for a month. I think you are being a bit hyperbolic about its failure and lack of criticism by msnbc. Which campaign promises have been rolled back if I can ask?
- cwkoss 6y ago
  $2000 checks, ending kids in cages, $15 minimum wage, $50k student loan forgiveness

duck 6y ago

One important question related to this is if a news org doesn't cover a valid story? Is that lying by omission? Probably not, but from an audience standpoint is there really a difference?