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> They're buying recipes and ingredients from a big nation supplier like Sysco... One sees so much nostalgia among Americans driving across the heartland for "

> They're buying recipes and ingredients from a big nation supplier like Sysco... One sees so much nostalgia among Americans driving across the heartland for "the traditional diner instead of fast food chains where the food is the same everywhere", when in fact so many of those traditional diners are sourcing all their ingredients from Sysco. You can have the exact same eggs or biscuits, for example, in supposedly mom and pop places in state after state. I think it was already in the mid 20th century that the US lost the diversity of cooking found in some other regions of the world, and so this latest development with ghost kitchens is only continuing a long trend.

bsder 6y ago
> so many of those traditional diners are sourcing all their ingredients from Sysco The question is what level do you source from Sysco? Source flour, shortening, sugar, etc. and make your own pie or cake. It will still be unique. Source pie mix or cake mix from Sysco and, yes, you've lost your uniqueness. The real question: do the eaters care? The continuing existence of places like Applebee's seems answer the question with "Apparently not."
- HeyLaughingBoy 6y ago
  Well, the real answer of course is that some of the eaters don't care, at least some of the time. I love good food and I'm a fairly good cook, but that doesn't stop me from picking up dinner at McDonald's when I just don't feel like cooking. I don't think that the existence of Applebee's proves anything other than sometimes people want to "eat a meal that someone else microwaved."
- benrbray 6y ago
  > do the eaters care? I think those who are aware of the problem definitely do care. Many people just don't think about it, because they're not old enough to remember a time where the local diner baked its own pies, simmered its own soups, etc.. For me, all my perceptions of food changed when I started traveling outside the United States. Basic staples like bread and soup taste so good in places like Germany and Japan by default, but food of the same quality in the United States would cost $20-30 per plate. This is a big reason I started cooking at home. The quality simply isn't there in the American restaurants that are affordable to most people, especially outside of big cities.
  - bsder 6y ago
    > For me, all my perceptions of food changed when I started traveling outside the United States. Basic staples like bread and soup taste so good in places like Germany and Japan by default, but food of the same quality in the United States would cost $20-30 per plate. So, what killed these restaurants in the US? They used to exist. Why did they go away?
    - benrbray 6y ago
      My theory is cars. Everything is spread so far apart that local businesses can't rely on foot traffic to spur interest, and a 15-minute driving radius doesn't include all that many people. For many people living in suburbs there's no city center to speak of, and they meet all their needs at the local strip mall full of national and multinational restaurant and grocery chains with name recognition.
- cwwc 6y ago
  Also, it is my understanding that Sysco has a multitude of levels (of ingredients/products): some are crap, some less crap, and some “gourmet” in the processed, mass packaged sense of the word.
- yardie 6y ago
  > do the eaters care? I got Applebee's because I know exactly what I'm getting everywhere on the country. If I got to an independent restaurant and get served something similar to Applebee's I'm probably going to choose Applebee's next time. If you can't differentiate yourself from a national chain with economies of scale you're going to be put out of business.
  - FlyMoreRockets 6y ago
    During an enlistment in the US Navy I had the opportunity to visit many exotic (to me) foriegn ports. My goal was to explore authentic local food and culture, but inevitably, the buzz when I got back to the ship was the location of the nearest McDonald's. Some peple just crave consistiency and a "taste of home". Each to their own. If I've spent months to get half way around the planet, I sure as hell want to revel in the experience!
    - ralphc 6y ago
      Different McDonald's around the world have different menu items. It's not so different as to make up for reveling in the experience, but it would be mildly interesting. You can see a version of this by going to https://www.pizzahut.co.in/ https://www.pizzahut.co.in/, https://www.pizzahut.com.hk/en/order https://www.pizzahut.com.hk/en/order, different countries and see what they put on pizza.
TrueGeek 6y ago
My wife and I used to go to a great little restaurant near us. The owner sold and the food drastically got worse. The previous owner spent every single morning at the market picking out fresh meat and produce. The new owner told us her lawyer said that was a liability. They switched to Sysco because they guaranteed the food was safer then buying directly from the growers.
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
  Which is a sad, but typical example that not everything is getting better. No risk? No fun!
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LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
Lol yeah! Witnessed this since about 30 years ago in Germany also. Be it pizzeria, greek restaurant or whatever. Have recognized the people shopping in supermarkets with fully loaded shopping carts carrying the largest available packages. In case of the pizzeria it even was Aldi. I remember wondering about how that would make sense, given the existence of wholesale?

bsder 6y ago

> so many of those traditional diners are sourcing all their ingredients from Sysco The question is what level do you source from Sysco? Source flour, shortening, sugar, etc. and make your own pie or cake. It will still be unique. Source pie mix or cake mix from Sysco and, yes, you've lost your uniqueness. The real question: do the eaters care? The continuing existence of places like Applebee's seems answer the question with "Apparently not."

HeyLaughingBoy 6y ago
Well, the real answer of course is that some of the eaters don't care, at least some of the time. I love good food and I'm a fairly good cook, but that doesn't stop me from picking up dinner at McDonald's when I just don't feel like cooking. I don't think that the existence of Applebee's proves anything other than sometimes people want to "eat a meal that someone else microwaved."
benrbray 6y ago
> do the eaters care? I think those who are aware of the problem definitely do care. Many people just don't think about it, because they're not old enough to remember a time where the local diner baked its own pies, simmered its own soups, etc.. For me, all my perceptions of food changed when I started traveling outside the United States. Basic staples like bread and soup taste so good in places like Germany and Japan by default, but food of the same quality in the United States would cost $20-30 per plate. This is a big reason I started cooking at home. The quality simply isn't there in the American restaurants that are affordable to most people, especially outside of big cities.
- bsder 6y ago
  > For me, all my perceptions of food changed when I started traveling outside the United States. Basic staples like bread and soup taste so good in places like Germany and Japan by default, but food of the same quality in the United States would cost $20-30 per plate. So, what killed these restaurants in the US? They used to exist. Why did they go away?
  - benrbray 6y ago
    My theory is cars. Everything is spread so far apart that local businesses can't rely on foot traffic to spur interest, and a 15-minute driving radius doesn't include all that many people. For many people living in suburbs there's no city center to speak of, and they meet all their needs at the local strip mall full of national and multinational restaurant and grocery chains with name recognition.
cwwc 6y ago
Also, it is my understanding that Sysco has a multitude of levels (of ingredients/products): some are crap, some less crap, and some “gourmet” in the processed, mass packaged sense of the word.
yardie 6y ago
> do the eaters care? I got Applebee's because I know exactly what I'm getting everywhere on the country. If I got to an independent restaurant and get served something similar to Applebee's I'm probably going to choose Applebee's next time. If you can't differentiate yourself from a national chain with economies of scale you're going to be put out of business.
- FlyMoreRockets 6y ago
  During an enlistment in the US Navy I had the opportunity to visit many exotic (to me) foriegn ports. My goal was to explore authentic local food and culture, but inevitably, the buzz when I got back to the ship was the location of the nearest McDonald's. Some peple just crave consistiency and a "taste of home". Each to their own. If I've spent months to get half way around the planet, I sure as hell want to revel in the experience!
  - ralphc 6y ago
    Different McDonald's around the world have different menu items. It's not so different as to make up for reveling in the experience, but it would be mildly interesting. You can see a version of this by going to https://www.pizzahut.co.in/ https://www.pizzahut.co.in/, https://www.pizzahut.com.hk/en/order https://www.pizzahut.com.hk/en/order, different countries and see what they put on pizza.

TrueGeek 6y ago

My wife and I used to go to a great little restaurant near us. The owner sold and the food drastically got worse. The previous owner spent every single morning at the market picking out fresh meat and produce. The new owner told us her lawyer said that was a liability. They switched to Sysco because they guaranteed the food was safer then buying directly from the growers.

LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
Which is a sad, but typical example that not everything is getting better. No risk? No fun!

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LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago

Lol yeah! Witnessed this since about 30 years ago in Germany also. Be it pizzeria, greek restaurant or whatever. Have recognized the people shopping in supermarkets with fully loaded shopping carts carrying the largest available packages. In case of the pizzeria it even was Aldi. I remember wondering about how that would make sense, given the existence of wholesale?