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> No they do not! Nobody has any 3060s yet! The cards become pre-installed with this software. If you don't like this software, don't buy the card. It is not an

> No they do not! Nobody has any 3060s yet! The cards become pre-installed with this software. If you don't like this software, don't buy the card. It is not an update! It is pre-installed software that you can choose not to buy. The cards do not come preinstalled with drivers. Drivers are installed in the OS and are updated regularly while the hardware is in support. You have a very odd obsession with future/past here. These are statements that Nvidia has made about their plans for this hardware. Unless they change their mind, they will do this. It doesn't matter that it hasn't actually happened yet, it's their stated policy for these cards, as well as something they've done in the past without warning. And even if you buy the card knowing that the hash rate is restricted, there are a myriad other uses that they can now arbitrarily restrict at their whim. > No. It is pre-installed software, that comes on a device, before you purchase it. No, it's software you install separately. Since the drivers are required to have the card function, you must install them, and they can be updated at will by the manufacturer to remove capabilities. When you are buying this kind of hardware, you primarily look at the hardware specs to understand the capabilities. In this case, those specs can't be trusted, because Nvidia is deciding what sort of code you're allowed to run on hardware you've purchased.

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> And even if you buy the card knowing that the hash rate is restricted, there are a myriad other uses that they can now arbitrarily restrict at their whim. But this isn't about you being sold something, and then it being change later. Instead, you are being sold something, knowing full well what software is available. > Drivers are installed in the OS and are updated regularly while the hardware is in support. I have misphrased things then. What I should have said, is that you are being sold these cards, and you know ahead of time, that it is only this software that is available. That is very different from buying something, under the expectation that other software, that has already been released, can do certain things, and then that software changing. You know full well what software is going to be available, and you voluntarily choose to buy it, given that knowledge. That is extremely different than if I bought something, and was given software X, and then that software X turned into software Y later on.
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  > Instead, you are being sold something, knowing full well what software is available. Not really. Even if I buy a card and am content to live with the 50% reduction in hash rate (assuming that's why I wanted to buy it), Nvidia still has the ability to change the drivers and further restrict the hash rate at their whim. > That is extremely different than if I bought something, and was given software X, and then that software X turned into software Y later on. The problem is that we can't know if Software X will turn into Software Y later on. If I buy a card because it has certain specs, I expect to be able to exercise those capabilities. I don't think Nvidia should be able to try to restrict what I choose to do with those capabilities.
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> And even if you buy the card knowing that the hash rate is restricted, there are a myriad other uses that they can now arbitrarily restrict at their whim. But this isn't about you being sold something, and then it being change later. Instead, you are being sold something, knowing full well what software is available. > Drivers are installed in the OS and are updated regularly while the hardware is in support. I have misphrased things then. What I should have said, is that you are being sold these cards, and you know ahead of time, that it is only this software that is available. That is very different from buying something, under the expectation that other software, that has already been released, can do certain things, and then that software changing. You know full well what software is going to be available, and you voluntarily choose to buy it, given that knowledge. That is extremely different than if I bought something, and was given software X, and then that software X turned into software Y later on.

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> Instead, you are being sold something, knowing full well what software is available. Not really. Even if I buy a card and am content to live with the 50% reduction in hash rate (assuming that's why I wanted to buy it), Nvidia still has the ability to change the drivers and further restrict the hash rate at their whim. > That is extremely different than if I bought something, and was given software X, and then that software X turned into software Y later on. The problem is that we can't know if Software X will turn into Software Y later on. If I buy a card because it has certain specs, I expect to be able to exercise those capabilities. I don't think Nvidia should be able to try to restrict what I choose to do with those capabilities.
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