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I went to glass containers for food storage and transfer food out of plastic packaging as soon as possible. Precocious puberty: I had a mental health hit (near

I went to glass containers for food storage and transfer food out of plastic packaging as soon as possible. Precocious puberty: I had a mental health hit (near collapse) from something that happened in my mid 20's. I started dating the stepdaughter of a neighbor (upper-middle class area) who said she was 19, and she definitely seemed it by being smart, chill, age-mature, sensible, and fully-developed (Tanner V). Lo and behold: she was not 17, 16, or 15, but 12. 12! WTH? I felt awful, ashamed, and like a perv monster. Thankfully, nothing illegal progressed but it was way too close and that would've been the end of my life. The worst part was I really liked, respected, got along with, and was attracted to her. Why, human condition, why? Torture. Sigh.

pb7 6y ago
You confused a middle schooler for a 19 year old? Yikes.
- airhead969 6y ago
  Confused? No. She passed herself off as that, acted, and looked the part completely. Size D. Extreme precocious puberty. You would've been fooled too, so please don't judge with perfect knowledge and 20/20 hindsight from afar if you weren't there.
  - pb7 6y ago
    > acted I have a very hard time believing a 12 year old can pass as a 19 year old in maturity. What knowledge or experience can a 12 year old offer to a mid 20s individual to appear intelligent, as you claim? > You would've been fooled too Zero chance. In my mid 20s, I already considered 19 year olds to be far too removed in life stages to consider seriously and the maturity gap between a 12 year old and an 19 year old is astronomical.
    - forgetfulness 6y ago
      Charitably, maybe our colleague here has some type of personality or even neurological disorder that would allow him to, earnestly, bond with a 12 year old as a partner rather than a child acquaintance. A disorder that he should get treated because that poses a danger to others and, eventually, himself. Given the astonishing justifications he gives I'd say his psych and he have a lot of work ahead.
      - airhead969 6y ago
        Don't patronize or judge me. You're being a rude dick.
    - slipper 6y ago
      You have a hard time believing it possible, so it can't be true? Are you aware that many models you see in magazines are only in their early teens, made to look older with makeup?
      - pb7 6y ago
        It can be true if your judgment is poor. > Are you aware that many models you see in magazines are only in their early teens, made to look older with makeup? I'm not sure what this proves considering you can manipulate photos to look like anything. I would be able to tell within minutes of talking to them in person -- as would any reasonable person -- which is what the discussion is about. If you want to go that route though, actors are almost universally older than the characters they play, especially characters in their teens.
        airhead969 6y ago
        Judgement has nothing to do with my experience. It can also be true if someone experienced extreme precocious puberty from unknown causes, is highly gifted and a voracious learner/autodidact, is emotionally intelligent, went through some shit in life, and basically had to become the "adult" (became authentically internally-stronger and didn't fall apart) of the family and of siblings when their birth parents were irresponsible and infantile. Improbable? Sure. It happened. Keep judging, impugning, and denigrating from afar. Have a good day and a productive life. :)
        DC1350 6y ago
        > went through some shit in life > birth parents were irresponsible This makes it even worse. You should stop posting before somebody contacts the FBI.
        slipper 6y ago
        He said nothing illegal happened, so what should the FBI do? I wish the FBI could look into people like you.
    - airhead969 6y ago
      My life experiences have nothing to do with ignorant generalizations or what you think is impossible. You can either accept what I describe with benefit of the doubt, or you can be a prick trying to moralize, judge, and castigate from the comfort of the armchair quarterback chair. It's your choice.
      - watwut 6y ago
        Our maybe you reacted to breasts and ignored mental maturity. And yes, I have experience with 12 years old. Their beats size is unrelated to their brain maturity and you absolutely can tell them apart from 19 years old.
        souprock 6y ago
        You haven't met every 12-year-old. I have a daughter that fit his description, both body and mind, except she wasn't seeking a boyfriend. At 12 she was taking college classes, getting only "A" grades. Nobody suspected a thing. All her friends were much older than her, and they all assumed she was much older. This was without make-up even. Her behavior is more adult-like than that of a typical adult. She gets annoyed by the childish behavior she sees in many adults. You might even know somebody like this. Unless you demand a photo ID to verify the age of everybody you meet, you just can't be sure.
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DC1350 6y ago
Is this a joke? Why are you admitting to being attracted to 12 year old girls on here? > I felt awful, ashamed, and like a perv monster. You are
slipper 6y ago
If she was biologically mature, being attracted to her doesn't mean you are a pedophile. Attraction is a result of biology, not of man-made laws. It would of course still be illegal to date her. The last psychiatrist has written about that, but I couldn't find it right away.
- DC1350 6y ago
  This dude dated a middle school girl in his mid 20s and his only defence is that her breasts were so big he didn’t notice she was 12. He might not be a pedophile by definition, but he is still a child predator.
  - slipper 6y ago
    It sounds as if he stopped when he found out about her age. You shouldn't let your fantasies rule your judgments.
quickthrower2 6y ago
If they look under 30 ask for ID. ID could be fake so get to know family friends and story too. I think a few good questions about life could spot a 12 year old from a 19 too.
- somedude895 6y ago
  > I think a few good questions about life could spot a 12 year old from a 19 too. It would take a really good liar to be able to pass for a 19 year old at 12 years old. You'd have to weave a really complex web of lies around being almost out of high school (I'm not American so not sure if this is true), drinking, driving. At 19 your life is so different, I find it very hard to believe, except if she's some highly intelligent sociopath.
  - AtlasBarfed 6y ago
    Lolita wasn't a documentary or a biography. 12 year olds aren't "highly intelligent sociopaths".

pb7 6y ago

You confused a middle schooler for a 19 year old? Yikes.

airhead969 6y ago
Confused? No. She passed herself off as that, acted, and looked the part completely. Size D. Extreme precocious puberty. You would've been fooled too, so please don't judge with perfect knowledge and 20/20 hindsight from afar if you weren't there.
- pb7 6y ago
  > acted I have a very hard time believing a 12 year old can pass as a 19 year old in maturity. What knowledge or experience can a 12 year old offer to a mid 20s individual to appear intelligent, as you claim? > You would've been fooled too Zero chance. In my mid 20s, I already considered 19 year olds to be far too removed in life stages to consider seriously and the maturity gap between a 12 year old and an 19 year old is astronomical.
  - forgetfulness 6y ago
    Charitably, maybe our colleague here has some type of personality or even neurological disorder that would allow him to, earnestly, bond with a 12 year old as a partner rather than a child acquaintance. A disorder that he should get treated because that poses a danger to others and, eventually, himself. Given the astonishing justifications he gives I'd say his psych and he have a lot of work ahead.
    - airhead969 6y ago
      Don't patronize or judge me. You're being a rude dick.
  - slipper 6y ago
    You have a hard time believing it possible, so it can't be true? Are you aware that many models you see in magazines are only in their early teens, made to look older with makeup?
    - pb7 6y ago
      It can be true if your judgment is poor. > Are you aware that many models you see in magazines are only in their early teens, made to look older with makeup? I'm not sure what this proves considering you can manipulate photos to look like anything. I would be able to tell within minutes of talking to them in person -- as would any reasonable person -- which is what the discussion is about. If you want to go that route though, actors are almost universally older than the characters they play, especially characters in their teens.
      - airhead969 6y ago
        Judgement has nothing to do with my experience. It can also be true if someone experienced extreme precocious puberty from unknown causes, is highly gifted and a voracious learner/autodidact, is emotionally intelligent, went through some shit in life, and basically had to become the "adult" (became authentically internally-stronger and didn't fall apart) of the family and of siblings when their birth parents were irresponsible and infantile. Improbable? Sure. It happened. Keep judging, impugning, and denigrating from afar. Have a good day and a productive life. :)
        DC1350 6y ago
        > went through some shit in life > birth parents were irresponsible This makes it even worse. You should stop posting before somebody contacts the FBI.
        slipper 6y ago
        He said nothing illegal happened, so what should the FBI do? I wish the FBI could look into people like you.
  - airhead969 6y ago
    My life experiences have nothing to do with ignorant generalizations or what you think is impossible. You can either accept what I describe with benefit of the doubt, or you can be a prick trying to moralize, judge, and castigate from the comfort of the armchair quarterback chair. It's your choice.
    - watwut 6y ago
      Our maybe you reacted to breasts and ignored mental maturity. And yes, I have experience with 12 years old. Their beats size is unrelated to their brain maturity and you absolutely can tell them apart from 19 years old.
      - souprock 6y ago
        You haven't met every 12-year-old. I have a daughter that fit his description, both body and mind, except she wasn't seeking a boyfriend. At 12 she was taking college classes, getting only "A" grades. Nobody suspected a thing. All her friends were much older than her, and they all assumed she was much older. This was without make-up even. Her behavior is more adult-like than that of a typical adult. She gets annoyed by the childish behavior she sees in many adults. You might even know somebody like this. Unless you demand a photo ID to verify the age of everybody you meet, you just can't be sure.
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DC1350 6y ago

Is this a joke? Why are you admitting to being attracted to 12 year old girls on here? > I felt awful, ashamed, and like a perv monster. You are

slipper 6y ago

If she was biologically mature, being attracted to her doesn't mean you are a pedophile. Attraction is a result of biology, not of man-made laws. It would of course still be illegal to date her. The last psychiatrist has written about that, but I couldn't find it right away.

DC1350 6y ago
This dude dated a middle school girl in his mid 20s and his only defence is that her breasts were so big he didn’t notice she was 12. He might not be a pedophile by definition, but he is still a child predator.
- slipper 6y ago
  It sounds as if he stopped when he found out about her age. You shouldn't let your fantasies rule your judgments.

quickthrower2 6y ago

If they look under 30 ask for ID. ID could be fake so get to know family friends and story too. I think a few good questions about life could spot a 12 year old from a 19 too.

somedude895 6y ago
> I think a few good questions about life could spot a 12 year old from a 19 too. It would take a really good liar to be able to pass for a 19 year old at 12 years old. You'd have to weave a really complex web of lies around being almost out of high school (I'm not American so not sure if this is true), drinking, driving. At 19 your life is so different, I find it very hard to believe, except if she's some highly intelligent sociopath.
- AtlasBarfed 6y ago
  Lolita wasn't a documentary or a biography. 12 year olds aren't "highly intelligent sociopaths".