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Most of the chinese people I have spoken with know most of the facts around Tienanmen square. It is the constant pro-communist propaganda that shapes their vie

by Volpe 15y ago

Most of the chinese people I have spoken with know most of the facts around Tienanmen square. It is the constant pro-communist propaganda that shapes their views. Just as constant pro-west propaganda shapes ours.

jrockway 15y ago
Tell me about some of this "pro-west propaganda".
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- dublinclontarf 15y ago
  And I'll be happy to tell you of the pro-government (not pro communist) propaganda. I could go on for days and weeks, seriously I could. The shit never ends.
- Volpe 15y ago
  News constantly portraying non-western countries as 3rd world, or axis of evil? Or terrorists? For no better reason than their interests do not align with various western countries. Watch much of Fox News? Even if you don't, a lot of people do. More obvious case: The reasons for going to war in Iraq were entirely agg-prop, that was later proved to be false. We "the west" don't have an explicit "Propaganda department" like communist countries generally do. But our media, and government still use propaganda to control peoples opinions.
  - daeken 15y ago
    > We "the west" don't have an explicit "Propaganda department" like communist countries generally do. But our media, and government still use propaganda to control peoples opinions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Influence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Influence
    - Volpe 15y ago
      Wow, I stand corrected. Not quite the same as China's Propaganda Department, which vetts all media (great firewall is under it's control). Wow.
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  - msy 15y ago
    Proved false by the same media. You don't see that happening in China very often. Of course there's a degree of influence but the absurd hyperbole involved the the farcical 'they're all the same' anti-american argument you see here and elsewhere is contemptible.
- crististm 15y ago
  Democracy BS: US went to Iraq and Afghanistan to teach them democracy. Meanwhile, they make their own citizens take their shoes off in their airports. Go figure!!!!
- anon114 15y ago
  "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" talks about some of the American film propaganda machine. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493459/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493459/ Want to shoot a war movie? Need access to military assets? You're going to have to run the movie by the Pentagon first to make sure it portrays "The Right Side of the Story". Also the US has tax credits for scripts which incorporate messages in support of the war on drugs. This is why you see ridiculous bullshit on CSI like kids dying after falling off a roof while high on.. GASP.. MARIJUANA! Land of the free, home of the brainwashed. This is why I try not to consume very much mainstream media. It's not exactly on the level with denial of historical events - people wouldn't stand for that. It has to be more subtle, and it is, and it works.
  - jrockway 15y ago
    Oh right. I find this so transparent that I find it difficult to even begin to use the word propaganda. But I could be dangerously out of touch with "the common man" or whatever. Basically, if someone tries to tell me something is bad and it's not a paper on PubMed, I don't really buy it. But I guess most people believe secondary sources.
  - miked 15y ago
    >> You're going to have to run the movie by the Pentagon first to make sure it portrays "The Right Side of the Story". You mean like Avatar? Or Redacted? Stop-Loss? Battle For Haditha? Green Zone? Or any of a host of other war movies made by Hollywood in the last 40 years that trash the US military to varying degrees. Go further back in time and you get movies like Casualties of War, Apocalypse Now, etc. You accuse others of lying in the service of their politics, all the while you engage in that very thing. The term for this is projection.
    - khafra 15y ago
      >> Want to shoot a war movie? Need access to military assets? Where did Avatar use current military technology?
    - Retric 15y ago
      You forgot about: Need access to military assets? Avatar had zero need for military assets. The most effective form of censorship is self censorship. Let's not say really bad things about X, because I don't want to burn any bridges. There is a popular image of the US military has little to do with reality. Consider the number of times an active army US soldier is portrayed as raping someone in a movie vs the other guy's army. Or the extremely high unemployment rate rate for soldiers you only serve one tour.
- ww520 15y ago
  Judith Miller.
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by Volpe 15y ago

jrockway 15y ago

Tell me about some of this "pro-west propaganda".

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dublinclontarf 15y ago
And I'll be happy to tell you of the pro-government (not pro communist) propaganda. I could go on for days and weeks, seriously I could. The shit never ends.
Volpe 15y ago
News constantly portraying non-western countries as 3rd world, or axis of evil? Or terrorists? For no better reason than their interests do not align with various western countries. Watch much of Fox News? Even if you don't, a lot of people do. More obvious case: The reasons for going to war in Iraq were entirely agg-prop, that was later proved to be false. We "the west" don't have an explicit "Propaganda department" like communist countries generally do. But our media, and government still use propaganda to control peoples opinions.
- daeken 15y ago
  > We "the west" don't have an explicit "Propaganda department" like communist countries generally do. But our media, and government still use propaganda to control peoples opinions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Influence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Influence
  - Volpe 15y ago
    Wow, I stand corrected. Not quite the same as China's Propaganda Department, which vetts all media (great firewall is under it's control). Wow.
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- msy 15y ago
  Proved false by the same media. You don't see that happening in China very often. Of course there's a degree of influence but the absurd hyperbole involved the the farcical 'they're all the same' anti-american argument you see here and elsewhere is contemptible.
crististm 15y ago
Democracy BS: US went to Iraq and Afghanistan to teach them democracy. Meanwhile, they make their own citizens take their shoes off in their airports. Go figure!!!!
anon114 15y ago
"This Film Is Not Yet Rated" talks about some of the American film propaganda machine. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493459/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493459/ Want to shoot a war movie? Need access to military assets? You're going to have to run the movie by the Pentagon first to make sure it portrays "The Right Side of the Story". Also the US has tax credits for scripts which incorporate messages in support of the war on drugs. This is why you see ridiculous bullshit on CSI like kids dying after falling off a roof while high on.. GASP.. MARIJUANA! Land of the free, home of the brainwashed. This is why I try not to consume very much mainstream media. It's not exactly on the level with denial of historical events - people wouldn't stand for that. It has to be more subtle, and it is, and it works.
- jrockway 15y ago
  Oh right. I find this so transparent that I find it difficult to even begin to use the word propaganda. But I could be dangerously out of touch with "the common man" or whatever. Basically, if someone tries to tell me something is bad and it's not a paper on PubMed, I don't really buy it. But I guess most people believe secondary sources.
- miked 15y ago
  >> You're going to have to run the movie by the Pentagon first to make sure it portrays "The Right Side of the Story". You mean like Avatar? Or Redacted? Stop-Loss? Battle For Haditha? Green Zone? Or any of a host of other war movies made by Hollywood in the last 40 years that trash the US military to varying degrees. Go further back in time and you get movies like Casualties of War, Apocalypse Now, etc. You accuse others of lying in the service of their politics, all the while you engage in that very thing. The term for this is projection.
  - khafra 15y ago
    >> Want to shoot a war movie? Need access to military assets? Where did Avatar use current military technology?
  - Retric 15y ago
    You forgot about: Need access to military assets? Avatar had zero need for military assets. The most effective form of censorship is self censorship. Let's not say really bad things about X, because I don't want to burn any bridges. There is a popular image of the US military has little to do with reality. Consider the number of times an active army US soldier is portrayed as raping someone in a movie vs the other guy's army. Or the extremely high unemployment rate rate for soldiers you only serve one tour.
ww520 15y ago
Judith Miller.

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