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I'll disagree with this. A very rough fact of life is not everyone will be able to go to a top school. For example the language requirement most top schools hav

I'll disagree with this. A very rough fact of life is not everyone will be able to go to a top school. For example the language requirement most top schools have excludes many people who didn't grow up with a second language, and lack the extra money to afford language tutoring.( Or a stable home life in highschool as most college language classes work much better if you took it in high school). I literally couldn't pass French in community college and ended up going to a lesser school because of it. It's just not something I can do, at least in an academic environment. That's said my life is much better for having attended college. However there's absolutely a max amount of money you should spend on this. Anything more than $40,000 for the full four years is too much. So if you do two years at community college, that's roughly $2,000 a year, 4000. Which leaves a budget of $36,000 for your last two years of college, of course this is just tuition. That's very much doable, and even if you have to borrow the whole 40 it's not that bad. The real problems start when people spend $100,000 or so attending lowly ranked schools, AKA these for-profit institutions.

awillen 6y ago
I don't actually think you're particularly far off from my point. In general, I think it's an ROI thing - the vast majority of non-technical degrees from low-tier schools have abysmal ROI. That said, ROI obviously depends on the I and the R - you intelligently kept the R down, and it sounds like you got a good I, so yeah, no disagreement. I just think you're very much the exception.
- offtop5 6y ago
  To be blunt, many of us graduate high school unable to properly read and write . At least 2 years of college is always needed to shore these basic skills up. Then again I've worked many minimum wage jobs with master degree holders for
908B64B197 6y ago
> For example the language requirement most top schools have excludes many people who didn't grow up with a second language Isn't the requirement to have done a year or two of a second language in high school?
- offtop5 6y ago
  That's the admission requirement. You also have to take a language in college. In ether case this isn't easily doable for people who come from unstable homes.
  - souprock 6y ago
    No, there isn't one universal requirement. Some examples: No language needed: Florida Institute of Technology, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University Either 2 years in high school or 2 semesters in college, your choice: a STEM degree in a typical Florida state university Some places require 4 years in high school.
klmadfejno 6y ago
I'm not trying to be a dick, but introductory foreign language courses were, in my opinion, broadly perceived to be a complete joke, and passable without the slightest capability of forming a complete sentence. Is it possible your community college was just unreasonably difficult?
- offtop5 6y ago
  Ahh. Yes, infact I took French again at a different community college and passed. The first community college I went too tried to cram 6 semester units into a single class. This still had the effect of derailing my life as I had to pick a different school to transfer to.

awillen 6y ago

I don't actually think you're particularly far off from my point. In general, I think it's an ROI thing - the vast majority of non-technical degrees from low-tier schools have abysmal ROI. That said, ROI obviously depends on the I and the R - you intelligently kept the R down, and it sounds like you got a good I, so yeah, no disagreement. I just think you're very much the exception.

offtop5 6y ago
To be blunt, many of us graduate high school unable to properly read and write . At least 2 years of college is always needed to shore these basic skills up. Then again I've worked many minimum wage jobs with master degree holders for

908B64B197 6y ago

> For example the language requirement most top schools have excludes many people who didn't grow up with a second language Isn't the requirement to have done a year or two of a second language in high school?

offtop5 6y ago
That's the admission requirement. You also have to take a language in college. In ether case this isn't easily doable for people who come from unstable homes.
- souprock 6y ago
  No, there isn't one universal requirement. Some examples: No language needed: Florida Institute of Technology, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University Either 2 years in high school or 2 semesters in college, your choice: a STEM degree in a typical Florida state university Some places require 4 years in high school.

klmadfejno 6y ago

I'm not trying to be a dick, but introductory foreign language courses were, in my opinion, broadly perceived to be a complete joke, and passable without the slightest capability of forming a complete sentence. Is it possible your community college was just unreasonably difficult?

offtop5 6y ago
Ahh. Yes, infact I took French again at a different community college and passed. The first community college I went too tried to cram 6 semester units into a single class. This still had the effect of derailing my life as I had to pick a different school to transfer to.