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> I don’t want to downplay the deep instutionalised sexism and racism that is at play in Gebru’s firing — that is there for all to see. Really, where is that t

> I don’t want to downplay the deep instutionalised sexism and racism that is at play in Gebru’s firing — that is there for all to see. Really, where is that to see. You weaken your whole case with this kind of casual reference to "oh and she was also a black women" so racism and sexism apply. Its a type of crying wolf that loses you more people in what is the potentially important issue at hand, her work at google. I really wish there would be repurcusions for this kind of casual libel, as it can be thrown in today's climate without a second thought.

jmeister 6y ago
In older honor-based cultures, this type of accusation would lead to a duel. We need a modern equivalent.
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- anewaccount2021 6y ago
  A one-mile race. Most HN readers couldn't finish.
tantalor 6y ago
It's tough to draw a straight line from "deep institution" (redundant?) to specific examples. It shows up more in background statistic than anecdotes. When we're focusing on N=1, I'd rather see concrete complaints (and no, internal forum posts do not count).
- cowpig 6y ago
  > and no, internal forum posts do not count I don't understand this statement. In my mind, internal forum posts as among the most revealing forms of evidence about the culture of an organization.
  - tantalor 6y ago
    Too subjective; what looks like malice could just be basic misunderstanding. Simple example: if I reply only the original forum post, but my message is posted after yours, then you might assume like I'm excluding you intentionally, probably because I don't like you personally; you get mad. This assumption is wrong and harmful to productive conversations. The simplest explanation is I began writing my reply before you posted; no apology is warranted. Another possibility is I'm simply a careless or excitable type of person who usually replies quickly before reading other replies; an apology is warranted, but it wasn't a personal attack!

jmeister 6y ago

In older honor-based cultures, this type of accusation would lead to a duel. We need a modern equivalent.

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anewaccount2021 6y ago
A one-mile race. Most HN readers couldn't finish.

tantalor 6y ago

It's tough to draw a straight line from "deep institution" (redundant?) to specific examples. It shows up more in background statistic than anecdotes. When we're focusing on N=1, I'd rather see concrete complaints (and no, internal forum posts do not count).

cowpig 6y ago
> and no, internal forum posts do not count I don't understand this statement. In my mind, internal forum posts as among the most revealing forms of evidence about the culture of an organization.
- tantalor 6y ago
  Too subjective; what looks like malice could just be basic misunderstanding. Simple example: if I reply only the original forum post, but my message is posted after yours, then you might assume like I'm excluding you intentionally, probably because I don't like you personally; you get mad. This assumption is wrong and harmful to productive conversations. The simplest explanation is I began writing my reply before you posted; no apology is warranted. Another possibility is I'm simply a careless or excitable type of person who usually replies quickly before reading other replies; an apology is warranted, but it wasn't a personal attack!