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Fascinating! Is this true? Do you have a link? Thanks!

mrweasel 6y ago
Most articles are in Danish, the best I could find quickly is: https://www.datacentremagazine.com/data-centres/facebook-expands-odense-data-centre-campus https://www.datacentremagazine.com/data-centres/facebook-exp... Edit: It's should be noted that most Danish cities already have a remote heating infrastructure in place. Aside from the regulatory issues, it's mostly a question of hooking up datacenters and other heat producing industries to that infrastructure. In most places utilising the remote heating isn't voluntary, if it's available where you live, your home has to be connected. Things like datacenters are slowly replacing coal fired heating plants, because most of those plants where made to generate electricity, but that's now supplied by more and more renewable energy. So cities need to find other sources of heat, to replace the volume no longer coming from the power plants. Where I live that's datacenters, waste incinerators and heavy industry. As a new thing, remote cooling is now also attempted by using cold water from limepits.
- wil421 6y ago
  How are the houses centrally heated l? I live in the Southern US and we do not have harsh winters. Most houses are heated by gas or electric furnaces (central air). It’s interesting you can also use remote cooling from lime pits.
  - johanvts 6y ago
    It's simply insulated pipes with hot water running underground. Homes in more remote places often use gas or electric heating.
    - mrweasel 6y ago
      The hot water pipes can actually run surprisingly long streches, but it’s only economical for denser populated areas.
Delk 6y ago
There have also been plans to do this in Finland, but most of what I can find is either marketing material or news articles discussing plans [1, 2] rather than actual achievements, so I'm not sure what actually became of it. There's a brochure from the national innovation fund that mentions a town actually covering about half of its heating needs with heat from a data center, though. [3] Swedish telco Telia also has had similar plans for a data center in Helsinki, Finland, and their website says their "goal is to recover and reuse all the heat produced" [4], but I'm not sure how much weight to give that since proclaiming a goal only costs a few words. It would be nicer if they said what they're actually doing at the moment even if it were much less than "all of it". [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/from-deep-underground-data-center-will-help-heat-helsinki-homes/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/from-deep-underground-data-cen... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jul/20/helsinki-data-centre-heat-homes https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jul/20/helsinki... [3] https://www.sitra.fi/en/cases/district-heating-from-data-centre-waste-heat-mantsala/ https://www.sitra.fi/en/cases/district-heating-from-data-cen... [4] https://www.telia.fi/business/telia-helsinki-data-center https://www.telia.fi/business/telia-helsinki-data-center
- softawre 6y ago
  Here's a Finland example that was posted earlier. It makes it seem like it's already working. https://helsinkismart.fi/case/waste-not-want-not-data-centers-leftover-heat-warms-a-town/ https://helsinkismart.fi/case/waste-not-want-not-data-center...
  - Delk 6y ago
    Thanks. That would seem to be the same case as in my third link.
Aachen 6y ago
I don't doubt it, they'd be silly not to do it: good PR from a waste product? Perhaps you can even charge for it? Amazing deal, especially the former and especially for Facebook. It's also very common; a school I went to was heated by the data center across the road.

Most articles are in Danish, the best I could find quickly is: https://www.datacentremagazine.com/data-centres/facebook-expands-odense-data-centre-campus https://www.datacentremagazine.com/data-centres/facebook-exp... Edit: It's should be noted that most Danish cities already have a remote heating infrastructure in place. Aside from the regulatory issues, it's mostly a question of hooking up datacenters and other heat producing industries to that infrastructure. In most places utilising the remote heating isn't voluntary, if it's available where you live, your home has to be connected. Things like datacenters are slowly replacing coal fired heating plants, because most of those plants where made to generate electricity, but that's now supplied by more and more renewable energy. So cities need to find other sources of heat, to replace the volume no longer coming from the power plants. Where I live that's datacenters, waste incinerators and heavy industry. As a new thing, remote cooling is now also attempted by using cold water from limepits.

wil421 6y ago
How are the houses centrally heated l? I live in the Southern US and we do not have harsh winters. Most houses are heated by gas or electric furnaces (central air). It’s interesting you can also use remote cooling from lime pits.
- johanvts 6y ago
  It's simply insulated pipes with hot water running underground. Homes in more remote places often use gas or electric heating.
  - mrweasel 6y ago
    The hot water pipes can actually run surprisingly long streches, but it’s only economical for denser populated areas.

Delk 6y ago

There have also been plans to do this in Finland, but most of what I can find is either marketing material or news articles discussing plans [1, 2] rather than actual achievements, so I'm not sure what actually became of it. There's a brochure from the national innovation fund that mentions a town actually covering about half of its heating needs with heat from a data center, though. [3] Swedish telco Telia also has had similar plans for a data center in Helsinki, Finland, and their website says their "goal is to recover and reuse all the heat produced" [4], but I'm not sure how much weight to give that since proclaiming a goal only costs a few words. It would be nicer if they said what they're actually doing at the moment even if it were much less than "all of it". [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/from-deep-underground-data-center-will-help-heat-helsinki-homes/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/from-deep-underground-data-cen... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jul/20/helsinki-data-centre-heat-homes https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jul/20/helsinki... [3] https://www.sitra.fi/en/cases/district-heating-from-data-centre-waste-heat-mantsala/ https://www.sitra.fi/en/cases/district-heating-from-data-cen... [4] https://www.telia.fi/business/telia-helsinki-data-center https://www.telia.fi/business/telia-helsinki-data-center

softawre 6y ago
Here's a Finland example that was posted earlier. It makes it seem like it's already working. https://helsinkismart.fi/case/waste-not-want-not-data-centers-leftover-heat-warms-a-town/ https://helsinkismart.fi/case/waste-not-want-not-data-center...
- Delk 6y ago
  Thanks. That would seem to be the same case as in my third link.

Aachen 6y ago

I don't doubt it, they'd be silly not to do it: good PR from a waste product? Perhaps you can even charge for it? Amazing deal, especially the former and especially for Facebook. It's also very common; a school I went to was heated by the data center across the road.