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It is absurd and wrong that this was flagged and dead, so I vouched for it. If people are not allowed to even ask genuine questions about the safety of medical

It is absurd and wrong that this was flagged and dead, so I vouched for it. If people are not allowed to even ask genuine questions about the safety of medical treatments then it will end up with people automatically assuming the worst, which appears to be what's happening in Europe. People must be free to discuss the safety of new vaccine technologies, as with any other new technology. The people who flagged this post and tried to hide it are making the situation worse, not better, and should be ashamed. The straightforward observation that lockdowns have been constantly moving goalposts and economic shutdowns are now being used to get people to take vaccines is also strongly worthy of discussion. The original justifications were poor (given many decisions prior to 2020 that lockdowns should never be used), but at least understandable. Now? Not so much.

buran77 6y ago
> people are not allowed to even ask genuine questions There was no genuine question, it was begging the answer and leading to a conclusion. The actual genuine idea OP presented and the one you really vouched form but are trying to put this under a veil of legitimacy is that: > there is no real justification for the vaccine A statement that was not only never proven correct but it was actively disproved repeatedly. Is it just me or does this idea still float around only because it's powered by an endless stream of people who are either ignorant, uneducated, or have a hidden interest? Let me know how beguine you feel this question is. And I'll put an actual genuine question that I hope you'll "vouch" for. What were the odds you'd stumble today across a post that barely made it to the front page yesterday as a blip with barely 40 upvotes and it on #502 as we speak, comment repeatedly as direct or indirect replies in support of user vfclists's comments, and all my replies get downvoted including the one I posted just now, day later? An unlikely set of circumstances for a "legitimate" interest.
- thu2111 6y ago
  I never go through people's posting history and downvote them all, if that's what you're asking. It's a stupid tactic, it happens to me all the time and I wish HN had more advanced software and moderation systems to stop it. Whether a vaccine is "justified" or not is a complex risk/benefit analysis and not a binary decision that everyone can arrive at automatically. There's an entire field of health economics devoted to asking and answering questions like that. The post should not be flagged and dead (AGAIN), because it is polite, raising obvious questions, and its only "crime" is to question current popular takes on vaccines, which is not a sufficient reason to try and hide posts from everyone. That's the opposite of intellectual curiousity.

buran77 6y ago

> people are not allowed to even ask genuine questions There was no genuine question, it was begging the answer and leading to a conclusion. The actual genuine idea OP presented and the one you really vouched form but are trying to put this under a veil of legitimacy is that: > there is no real justification for the vaccine A statement that was not only never proven correct but it was actively disproved repeatedly. Is it just me or does this idea still float around only because it's powered by an endless stream of people who are either ignorant, uneducated, or have a hidden interest? Let me know how beguine you feel this question is. And I'll put an actual genuine question that I hope you'll "vouch" for. What were the odds you'd stumble today across a post that barely made it to the front page yesterday as a blip with barely 40 upvotes and it on #502 as we speak, comment repeatedly as direct or indirect replies in support of user vfclists's comments, and all my replies get downvoted including the one I posted just now, day later? An unlikely set of circumstances for a "legitimate" interest.

thu2111 6y ago
I never go through people's posting history and downvote them all, if that's what you're asking. It's a stupid tactic, it happens to me all the time and I wish HN had more advanced software and moderation systems to stop it. Whether a vaccine is "justified" or not is a complex risk/benefit analysis and not a binary decision that everyone can arrive at automatically. There's an entire field of health economics devoted to asking and answering questions like that. The post should not be flagged and dead (AGAIN), because it is polite, raising obvious questions, and its only "crime" is to question current popular takes on vaccines, which is not a sufficient reason to try and hide posts from everyone. That's the opposite of intellectual curiousity.