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You said "temporarily", so I want to remind you that all the same things are harmful to a child's development, especially when their systems are just coming onl

You said "temporarily", so I want to remind you that all the same things are harmful to a child's development, especially when their systems are just coming online and establishing their baselines.

jonplackett 6y ago
Yes absolutely! Still doing the dietary things for her. She gets to have hot baths though, and wear tight fitting underpants. FYI anyone else reading, if you have a boy Teflon is really something you should avoid.
- dijit 6y ago
  Huh, all my trousers were coated in teflon when I was growing up. It was a prominent selling feature.
  - forgotmypw17 6y ago
    So are pizza boxes and microwave popcorn bags
    - jonplackett 6y ago
      And the same stuff is in waterproof coatings and easy clean carpet coatings and other such things.
- Lammy 6y ago
  Good parenting is forcing your boy children to take cold baths because you need their sperm to carry on your legacy.
  - forgotmypw17 6y ago
    Cold baths is a bit far, but pouring a bucket of cold water over them has many health benefits, including immune function.
    - forgotmypw17 6y ago
      To clarify my comment, this is done with gentle reassurance and playfully, not as any sort of hazing or abuse, purely for health benefits. It is common in many cultures in eastern europe and elsewhere and the health benefits are well known.
  - sep_field 6y ago
    Good parenting is adopting rather than creating new life. Birthing a child is the single worst thing a couple can do to the environment.
    - formerly_proven 6y ago
      There are better options. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/710/124/9ce.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/710/124/9ce...
    - natchy 6y ago
      Then the intelligent people who should be having kids are not. We need smart people to fix problems, especially related to the environment. If all the low IQ people keep pumping out babies you can kiss the precious environment goodbye.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
        natchy 6y ago
        I don’t read any politics or social media outside HN so funny to see what a political sheep looks like. Forced sterilization based on political association is... uh, not a high IQ suggestion.
- voqv 6y ago
  I wonder if it's Teflon in general or damaged Teflon pans - many people do not used them correctly, overheat them and have damaged coatings that leak chemicals. You can go check perfectly fine pans having 1-star Amazon reviews "Pan sticking after a month!".
  - forgotmypw17 6y ago
    Based on random website I found googling, it starts to break down and release PFOA around 300F, which is easy to achieve if the pan is not filled with water.
    - gruez 6y ago
      Do you have your units mixed up? Wikipedia seems to have a different range: >While PTFE is stable and nontoxic at lower temperatures, it begins to deteriorate after the temperature of cookware reaches about 260 °C (500 °F), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene
      - forgotmypw17 6y ago
        I used a different source than the one you link. 500F is not difficult for a frying pan to reach either. The same Wikipedia page also reads: >Pyrolysis of PTFE is detectable at 200 °C (392 °F), and it evolves several fluorocarbon gases and a sublimate. My completely unscientific, unsubstantiated guess, based purely on obsessively researching food safety for years, is that it begins to leach at a much lower temperature.
        gruez 6y ago
        > I used a different source than the one you link. 500F is not difficult for a frying pan to reach either. Most vegetable oils smoke before 500F. If you're just frying up an egg or sauteing some vegetables you'll be fine. >The same Wikipedia page also reads: The sentence after it: >An animal study conducted in 1955 concluded that it is unlikely that these products would be generated in amounts significant to health at temperatures below 250 °C (482 °F).[
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  I'm duplicating this text higher up, lest it be buried deep in the argument below: > At normal cooking temperatures, PTFE-coated cookware releases various gases and chemicals that present mild to severe toxicity. > Only few studies describe the toxicity of PTFE but without solid conclusions. > There are some reports where PFOA was detected in the gas phase released from the cooking utensils under normal cooking temperatures. > Due to toxicity concerns, PFOA has been replaced with other chemicals such as GenX, but these new alternatives are also suspected to have similar toxicity. > The toxicity and fate of ingested PTFE coatings are also not understood. Source: PTFE-coated non-stick cookware and toxicity concerns: a perspective Muhammad Sajid 1, Muhammad Ilyas 2 PMID: 28913736 DOI: 10.1007/s11356-017-0095-y https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28913736/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28913736/
  - Hallucinaut 6y ago
    Somewhat frivolous comment, but naming a material GenX hardly says to me "trusted and proven safe". It sounds like the backstory to a mutant movie.

You said "temporarily", so I want to remind you that all the same things are harmful to a child's development, especially when their systems are just coming online and establishing their baselines.

jonplackett 6y ago

Yes absolutely! Still doing the dietary things for her. She gets to have hot baths though, and wear tight fitting underpants. FYI anyone else reading, if you have a boy Teflon is really something you should avoid.

dijit 6y ago
Huh, all my trousers were coated in teflon when I was growing up. It was a prominent selling feature.
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  So are pizza boxes and microwave popcorn bags
  - jonplackett 6y ago
    And the same stuff is in waterproof coatings and easy clean carpet coatings and other such things.
Lammy 6y ago
Good parenting is forcing your boy children to take cold baths because you need their sperm to carry on your legacy.
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  Cold baths is a bit far, but pouring a bucket of cold water over them has many health benefits, including immune function.
  - forgotmypw17 6y ago
    To clarify my comment, this is done with gentle reassurance and playfully, not as any sort of hazing or abuse, purely for health benefits. It is common in many cultures in eastern europe and elsewhere and the health benefits are well known.
- sep_field 6y ago
  Good parenting is adopting rather than creating new life. Birthing a child is the single worst thing a couple can do to the environment.
  - formerly_proven 6y ago
    There are better options. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/710/124/9ce.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/710/124/9ce...
  - natchy 6y ago
    Then the intelligent people who should be having kids are not. We need smart people to fix problems, especially related to the environment. If all the low IQ people keep pumping out babies you can kiss the precious environment goodbye.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
      - natchy 6y ago
        I don’t read any politics or social media outside HN so funny to see what a political sheep looks like. Forced sterilization based on political association is... uh, not a high IQ suggestion.
voqv 6y ago
I wonder if it's Teflon in general or damaged Teflon pans - many people do not used them correctly, overheat them and have damaged coatings that leak chemicals. You can go check perfectly fine pans having 1-star Amazon reviews "Pan sticking after a month!".
- forgotmypw17 6y ago
  Based on random website I found googling, it starts to break down and release PFOA around 300F, which is easy to achieve if the pan is not filled with water.
  - gruez 6y ago
    Do you have your units mixed up? Wikipedia seems to have a different range: >While PTFE is stable and nontoxic at lower temperatures, it begins to deteriorate after the temperature of cookware reaches about 260 °C (500 °F), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene
    - forgotmypw17 6y ago
      I used a different source than the one you link. 500F is not difficult for a frying pan to reach either. The same Wikipedia page also reads: >Pyrolysis of PTFE is detectable at 200 °C (392 °F), and it evolves several fluorocarbon gases and a sublimate. My completely unscientific, unsubstantiated guess, based purely on obsessively researching food safety for years, is that it begins to leach at a much lower temperature.
      - gruez 6y ago
        > I used a different source than the one you link. 500F is not difficult for a frying pan to reach either. Most vegetable oils smoke before 500F. If you're just frying up an egg or sauteing some vegetables you'll be fine. >The same Wikipedia page also reads: The sentence after it: >An animal study conducted in 1955 concluded that it is unlikely that these products would be generated in amounts significant to health at temperatures below 250 °C (482 °F).[
forgotmypw17 6y ago
I'm duplicating this text higher up, lest it be buried deep in the argument below: > At normal cooking temperatures, PTFE-coated cookware releases various gases and chemicals that present mild to severe toxicity. > Only few studies describe the toxicity of PTFE but without solid conclusions. > There are some reports where PFOA was detected in the gas phase released from the cooking utensils under normal cooking temperatures. > Due to toxicity concerns, PFOA has been replaced with other chemicals such as GenX, but these new alternatives are also suspected to have similar toxicity. > The toxicity and fate of ingested PTFE coatings are also not understood. Source: PTFE-coated non-stick cookware and toxicity concerns: a perspective Muhammad Sajid 1, Muhammad Ilyas 2 PMID: 28913736 DOI: 10.1007/s11356-017-0095-y https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28913736/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28913736/
- Hallucinaut 6y ago
  Somewhat frivolous comment, but naming a material GenX hardly says to me "trusted and proven safe". It sounds like the backstory to a mutant movie.