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FB was right on the merits here. The news has no leverage, they want to shakedown FB for driving traffic to their own sites? I'm glad FB told them to fuck off

FB was right on the merits here. The news has no leverage, they want to shakedown FB for driving traffic to their own sites? I'm glad FB told them to fuck off. Meanwhile Google decided to pay Murdoch's extortion fee: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56101859 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56101859 Google did the wrong thing.

clouddrover 6y ago
> I'm glad FB told them to fuck off. Facebook is negotiating deals with media companies. The Australian government got what they wanted.
- fossuser 6y ago
  Well we’ll see what the deal ends up being. I hope FB’s offer is nothing. Maybe FB will charge the media for the referral traffic that FB directs to them. That’d be where I’d start negotiations. This isn’t what the Australia government wanted, they just realized that FB not showing news hurts the news more than it hurts FB.
  - clouddrover 6y ago
    > I hope FB’s offer is nothing. That's a futile hope. It won't be nothing. > This isn’t what the Australia government wanted Yes it is. > they just realized that FB not showing news hurts the news more than it hurts FB No. Facebook has realized that they just strengthened the Australian government's resolve to introduce the legislation, that they increased support for the media bargaining code within Australia, and that they gained Australia the support of governments all over the world. Facebook has successfully convinced governments that Facebook is a problem that needs to be solved. It was a massive own goal for Facebook. More governments will introduce similar legislation now.
    - fossuser 6y ago
      I'm not following - the Australia government can introduce this if they want, FB can just block news on their platform (as they did).
      - clouddrover 6y ago
        No. Forced arbitration is still a feature of the code.
        fossuser 6y ago
        I’m not sure how that’s relevant?
        clouddrover 6y ago
        Yes. Read about the changes: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-agrees-to-last-minute-amendments-to-media-code-20210222-p574kc.html https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-agrees-to... Facebook gained one month's notice when a platform is designated under the code and two months more negotiation time when making a deal. That's all.

clouddrover 6y ago

> I'm glad FB told them to fuck off. Facebook is negotiating deals with media companies. The Australian government got what they wanted.

fossuser 6y ago
Well we’ll see what the deal ends up being. I hope FB’s offer is nothing. Maybe FB will charge the media for the referral traffic that FB directs to them. That’d be where I’d start negotiations. This isn’t what the Australia government wanted, they just realized that FB not showing news hurts the news more than it hurts FB.
- clouddrover 6y ago
  > I hope FB’s offer is nothing. That's a futile hope. It won't be nothing. > This isn’t what the Australia government wanted Yes it is. > they just realized that FB not showing news hurts the news more than it hurts FB No. Facebook has realized that they just strengthened the Australian government's resolve to introduce the legislation, that they increased support for the media bargaining code within Australia, and that they gained Australia the support of governments all over the world. Facebook has successfully convinced governments that Facebook is a problem that needs to be solved. It was a massive own goal for Facebook. More governments will introduce similar legislation now.
  - fossuser 6y ago
    I'm not following - the Australia government can introduce this if they want, FB can just block news on their platform (as they did).
    - clouddrover 6y ago
      No. Forced arbitration is still a feature of the code.
      - fossuser 6y ago
        I’m not sure how that’s relevant?
        clouddrover 6y ago
        Yes. Read about the changes: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-agrees-to-last-minute-amendments-to-media-code-20210222-p574kc.html https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-agrees-to... Facebook gained one month's notice when a platform is designated under the code and two months more negotiation time when making a deal. That's all.