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Lost me at this point: Robert’s Rules of Order and the general meeting protocols really do fall right in line with what we know about white supremacist culture.

Lost me at this point: Robert’s Rules of Order and the general meeting protocols really do fall right in line with what we know about white supremacist culture. I'm so tired of hearing everything being about white supremacy. The latest was the attack on an elderly Chinese man by a young black man...all because, yep white supremacy. Robert's Rules of Order may not be the best format, but neither is everyone shouting and whoever gets the loudest wins. It maintains the American culture that has been built for the last 250 years and while it's not perfect, it is far from being a place where only whites thrive.

overdrivetg 6y ago
Yeah, that also struck me as more of arising from an "antagonistic, competitive" culture vs a collaborative/cooperative one. And as Facebook shows, "everyone shouting and whoever gets the loudest wins[1]" definitely sucks too. Though I wouldn't be surprised if there were at least some lessons from the creation / history of RRoO that could actually translate. [1] http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-shouting-class.html http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-shouting-clas...
true_religion 6y ago
> It maintains the American culture that has been built for the last 250 years and while it's not perfect, it is far from being a place where only whites thrive. Can you please identify the time periods where a plurality of races where thriving in America? The way I see it, until the 1980s, non-whites were made unwelcome in America. Segregation occurred within our lifetimes. President Biden for example took his seat in Congress, during an era where 8 year old black girls could be stoned by the KKK for going to a mixed-race school. Nearly 40 years later, he left Congress to serve under a mixed-race President in the Whitehouse. We have seen a sea of change, but the time spans involved are very small. For most of US history, being anything but lily white was a demerit against you that most people could never overcome. US culture is not merely white culture. It includes the culture of many peoples who suffered under the oppression of segregation, Jim Crow, internment camps, dying in a trail of tears, slavery and 2nd class citizenship.
- skedaddle 6y ago
  I mean, that's how most people see it. The novel (and extreme) claim here is that things like turn taking and facilitation are white supremacist. You can't just explain by saying "well in my opinion the KKK used to lynch black girls".
  - true_religion 6y ago
    The above poster said US culture is "far from being a place where only whites thrive". I was pointing out that a culture where the stoning of children of colour is normalized is not 'thriving' for them. Remember we're talking about history not the present day. As for the article itself, I don't think the idea that Robert's Rules supports white supremacy holds any weight. The author essentially said that it helps those in power as they control the discussion, which is true, and implies that those in power are white supremacists. The later is arguable. I'd say it was most definitely true in the past (Jim Crow laws were wildly popular when first proposed), but not true currently.
- j_walter 6y ago
  One could argue that when seen from a macro world view that any specific race is thriving more in the US than in other countries around the world. This doesn't mean that the US is truly fair and we have come a long way in the last 40 years and still have a way to go. Many people of color immigrated here in the 1980s and while we still hear that they have been held back from succeeding they are probably still doing significantly better on average than if they had stayed in their home countries where violence and poverty still run rampant. If the US is so unfair to people of color and not provide a way to better their lives...why do they continue to immigrate?
  - true_religion 6y ago
    I specifically said that the US was not welcoming until the 1980s. So I think we're in agreement? The US currently is a good place for people of color. The same couldn't be said for the US in the past. Additionally, I believe there are studies showing that immigrants always do significantly better than those of a similar socioeconomic group in their home countries because immigrants are self-selected group who sought out better opportunities and often dedicate themselves to bettering their own lives. It's a little bit of nuance, but I think its important since so often people (not you!) stereotype immigrants as part of the 'tired, poor, huddled masses' when in the modern era due to statutory requirements to get a VISA, immigrants are not the bottom most of any society.

overdrivetg 6y ago

Yeah, that also struck me as more of arising from an "antagonistic, competitive" culture vs a collaborative/cooperative one. And as Facebook shows, "everyone shouting and whoever gets the loudest wins[1]" definitely sucks too. Though I wouldn't be surprised if there were at least some lessons from the creation / history of RRoO that could actually translate. [1] http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-shouting-class.html http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-shouting-clas...

true_religion 6y ago

> It maintains the American culture that has been built for the last 250 years and while it's not perfect, it is far from being a place where only whites thrive. Can you please identify the time periods where a plurality of races where thriving in America? The way I see it, until the 1980s, non-whites were made unwelcome in America. Segregation occurred within our lifetimes. President Biden for example took his seat in Congress, during an era where 8 year old black girls could be stoned by the KKK for going to a mixed-race school. Nearly 40 years later, he left Congress to serve under a mixed-race President in the Whitehouse. We have seen a sea of change, but the time spans involved are very small. For most of US history, being anything but lily white was a demerit against you that most people could never overcome. US culture is not merely white culture. It includes the culture of many peoples who suffered under the oppression of segregation, Jim Crow, internment camps, dying in a trail of tears, slavery and 2nd class citizenship.

skedaddle 6y ago
I mean, that's how most people see it. The novel (and extreme) claim here is that things like turn taking and facilitation are white supremacist. You can't just explain by saying "well in my opinion the KKK used to lynch black girls".
- true_religion 6y ago
  The above poster said US culture is "far from being a place where only whites thrive". I was pointing out that a culture where the stoning of children of colour is normalized is not 'thriving' for them. Remember we're talking about history not the present day. As for the article itself, I don't think the idea that Robert's Rules supports white supremacy holds any weight. The author essentially said that it helps those in power as they control the discussion, which is true, and implies that those in power are white supremacists. The later is arguable. I'd say it was most definitely true in the past (Jim Crow laws were wildly popular when first proposed), but not true currently.
j_walter 6y ago
One could argue that when seen from a macro world view that any specific race is thriving more in the US than in other countries around the world. This doesn't mean that the US is truly fair and we have come a long way in the last 40 years and still have a way to go. Many people of color immigrated here in the 1980s and while we still hear that they have been held back from succeeding they are probably still doing significantly better on average than if they had stayed in their home countries where violence and poverty still run rampant. If the US is so unfair to people of color and not provide a way to better their lives...why do they continue to immigrate?
- true_religion 6y ago
  I specifically said that the US was not welcoming until the 1980s. So I think we're in agreement? The US currently is a good place for people of color. The same couldn't be said for the US in the past. Additionally, I believe there are studies showing that immigrants always do significantly better than those of a similar socioeconomic group in their home countries because immigrants are self-selected group who sought out better opportunities and often dedicate themselves to bettering their own lives. It's a little bit of nuance, but I think its important since so often people (not you!) stereotype immigrants as part of the 'tired, poor, huddled masses' when in the modern era due to statutory requirements to get a VISA, immigrants are not the bottom most of any society.