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Its a shame, those people don't take their appointments. Vaccination in germany is really slow in general. Removing one vaccine is not goint to make it any fast

Its a shame, those people don't take their appointments. Vaccination in germany is really slow in general. Removing one vaccine is not goint to make it any faster. There are people below the age of 60 that would happily take the shot, but they can't. It's not their turn yet

zajio1am 6y ago
That seems more like problem with the reservation system that does not allow to specify which vaccines one accepts, so younger people who would accept AstraZeneca could be scheduled for the shots that are available because other people rejected them.
carlmr 6y ago
I mean I can't blame them, it supposedly causes side-effects in 40% of cases, isn't very effective against some mutations, and the population they want to vaccinate doesn't have a huge risk of severe covid to begin with. Aside from this the politicians really bungled the marketing. First it was claimed it doesn't work in the elderly (which wasn't true, just illiteracy), then they said the younger people will only get this vaccine, not the other ones. It's bound to make people suspicious. Maybe they should learn from Frederick the Great of Prussia: "Trying a less direct approach to encourage his subjects to begin planting potatoes, Frederick used a bit of reverse psychology: he planted a royal field of potato plants and stationed a heavy guard to protect this field from thieves. Nearby peasants naturally assumed that anything worth guarding was worth stealing, and so snuck into the field and snatched the plants for their home gardens. Of course, this was entirely in line with Frederick's wishes." [1] [1] https://www.history-magazine.com/potato.html https://www.history-magazine.com/potato.html
- alfu 6y ago
  Source on the 40%? Quick search yields > “Between 10% and 15% of those vaccinated may have side-effects from this vaccination, but it is only a feverish state, fevers, nausea and within 12 hours it goes away.” https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-europe-astrazeneca/astrazeneca-vaccine-faces-resistance-in-europe-after-health-workers-suffer-side-effects-idUSL8N2KN2UH https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-europe-as...
  - carlmr 6y ago
    I only read this this morning: https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-impfung-von-astrazeneca-nebenwirkungen-staerker-als-erwartet-17204571.html https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-impfung-von-... It's in German, the doctor still recommends getting vaccinated.
    - 0x008 6y ago
      Well I got the same from a off-the-shelf hepatitis shot 2 years ago. It is really unfortunate they print it this way because the headline surely will be taken out of context.
- TurkishPoptart 6y ago
  How effective are the mRNA vaccines against the new strains/mutations? Do we have hard data on that yet?
  - carlmr 6y ago
    https://time.com/5933340/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-new-strains/ https://time.com/5933340/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-new-strain... They seem to be mostly effective, albeit still giving less of an immune response than would be possible. Also Curevac is working together with GSK on a multi mutant mRNA vaccine. Since the mRNA approach seems to be flexible it's reasonable to assume this will allow quick adaptations like this. https://www.curevac.com/en/2021/02/03/gsk-and-curevac-to-develop-next-generation-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/ https://www.curevac.com/en/2021/02/03/gsk-and-curevac-to-dev...
    - bipson 6y ago
      The vector approach is just as flexible in my understanding.

zajio1am 6y ago

That seems more like problem with the reservation system that does not allow to specify which vaccines one accepts, so younger people who would accept AstraZeneca could be scheduled for the shots that are available because other people rejected them.

carlmr 6y ago

I mean I can't blame them, it supposedly causes side-effects in 40% of cases, isn't very effective against some mutations, and the population they want to vaccinate doesn't have a huge risk of severe covid to begin with. Aside from this the politicians really bungled the marketing. First it was claimed it doesn't work in the elderly (which wasn't true, just illiteracy), then they said the younger people will only get this vaccine, not the other ones. It's bound to make people suspicious. Maybe they should learn from Frederick the Great of Prussia: "Trying a less direct approach to encourage his subjects to begin planting potatoes, Frederick used a bit of reverse psychology: he planted a royal field of potato plants and stationed a heavy guard to protect this field from thieves. Nearby peasants naturally assumed that anything worth guarding was worth stealing, and so snuck into the field and snatched the plants for their home gardens. Of course, this was entirely in line with Frederick's wishes." [1] [1] https://www.history-magazine.com/potato.html https://www.history-magazine.com/potato.html

alfu 6y ago
Source on the 40%? Quick search yields > “Between 10% and 15% of those vaccinated may have side-effects from this vaccination, but it is only a feverish state, fevers, nausea and within 12 hours it goes away.” https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-europe-astrazeneca/astrazeneca-vaccine-faces-resistance-in-europe-after-health-workers-suffer-side-effects-idUSL8N2KN2UH https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-europe-as...
- carlmr 6y ago
  I only read this this morning: https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-impfung-von-astrazeneca-nebenwirkungen-staerker-als-erwartet-17204571.html https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-impfung-von-... It's in German, the doctor still recommends getting vaccinated.
  - 0x008 6y ago
    Well I got the same from a off-the-shelf hepatitis shot 2 years ago. It is really unfortunate they print it this way because the headline surely will be taken out of context.
TurkishPoptart 6y ago
How effective are the mRNA vaccines against the new strains/mutations? Do we have hard data on that yet?
- carlmr 6y ago
  https://time.com/5933340/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-new-strains/ https://time.com/5933340/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-new-strain... They seem to be mostly effective, albeit still giving less of an immune response than would be possible. Also Curevac is working together with GSK on a multi mutant mRNA vaccine. Since the mRNA approach seems to be flexible it's reasonable to assume this will allow quick adaptations like this. https://www.curevac.com/en/2021/02/03/gsk-and-curevac-to-develop-next-generation-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/ https://www.curevac.com/en/2021/02/03/gsk-and-curevac-to-dev...
  - bipson 6y ago
    The vector approach is just as flexible in my understanding.