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The way the author described the case of Yélî Dnye ("A Language Where Colors Are Metaphors") makes it seem a bit underwhelming to me, and unfortunately the link
by Mordisquitos 6y ago
The way the author described the case of Yélî Dnye ("A Language Where Colors Are Metaphors") makes it seem a bit underwhelming to me, and unfortunately the link to the research paper is broken. When she says:
>For example, to describe something as red, islanders say “mtyemtye,” which is derived from “mtye,” or “red parrot species.” Another example is “mgîdîmgîdî,” which can be used to say something is black, but is directly derived from the word for night, “mgîdî.”
...all I get is the impression that the names of colours in Yélî Dnye are derived from known objects which happen to be of that colour—an interesting bit of trivia, but nothing shocking. Then:
>Not only that, writes Levinson, but the islander’s grammar reinforces this metaphorical slant, saying, “The skin of the man is white like the parrot,” rather than “He is white.”
...I am confused by what is supposed to be that surprising in this way of expressing themselves. Does "is white like the parrot" stand for a literal mention of both the word for white parrot and a word derived from it? Or is it a stand-in for the fact that they don't refer to things being a colour but rather being like specific coloured things? I feel like something has been lost in translation, both literally from Yélî Dnye and metaphorically from the field of linguistics.
- meepmorp 6y agoThe link to the 2001 article they base it from is broken, but it sounds like all their color words are just derived from nouns, maybe with some affix indicating 'of the color like'. The description is too vague to make a lot of sense. There's lots of really weird and interesting things about Australian languages that would make better subjects for an article, like the avoidance register in Warlpiri. Hard to see why they chose that particular one.
- rq1 6y agoFrom my understanding the difference lies in the object/animal chosen to describe the colour wrt. to the situation. You’d use the red parrot if I may say to describe an angry wordy person becoming red of anger. And you’d use another object/animal to describe the exact same colour in another context. Say red frog for your shining new prince or whatever.
- feoren 6y agoI was confused by that too. Do they find the word "orange" equally metaphorical, given that it was named after the fruit?