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$1.5M goes a long way if the work is outsourced. Generally bigger orgs will have internal contracts. For instance IBM Canada outsources to IBM India at internal
by debarshri 6y ago
$1.5M goes a long way if the work is outsourced. Generally bigger orgs will have internal contracts. For instance IBM Canada outsources to IBM India at internal discounted rates. When I used to work for TCS, a budget of $80k was good enough for team of 4 for 6 months. I can only imagine that at $1.5M, it is definitely going to get them a few teams.
- danpalmer 6y agoThis only works if the internal client doesn't take the savings as margin, _and_ the communication and project management is good enough to overcome the issues that come with outsourcing. In this case you've now got 3 levels of project management (Canadian govt, IBM CA, IBM India), 2 countries, 2+ languages, and 2 layers of a company who are banned from government contracts in parts of the world for over spending and under delivering.
- thegeekbin 6y agoIBM Formula For Pricing: Initial Price = Estimated_Cost / 1000 "Oops, we need more money" = (Estimated_Exec_Bonus + Estimated_Corp_Greed) + Worker_Cost + Extra_Corp_Greed
- debarshri 6y agoIt might not be organized that way. For instance, it could be that IBM canada basically sold the project and IBM India are the people who would be implementing it. I don't enough about IBM's organization structure to comment on this topic.
- acdha 6y agoWhat’s the quality of that Indian team like, though? You’re adding multiple layers of overhead before anything gets to the actual workers and in my experience once you got under, say, 70% of U.S. rates the quality plummeted because people capable of doing solid technical work are also capable of researching rates and jumping to a better job.
- disabled 6y agoIt can be very high if there is excellent continuity of communication (for asynchronous work matters), the right tools are being used (for asynchronous work), and the workers have the right qualifications and experience.
- acdha 6y agoOh, definitely: I just haven’t found it to be anywhere near as cheap as the money guys tell people – you can certainly save some money, possibly even enough to make up for the communication delays, but I’ve never heard of it being anywhere near the wild claims, and sometimes it’s even a net loss.
- disabled 6y agoI agree.
- acdha 6y agoThis issue really annoys me because some people start claiming that Indian developers aren’t good when it’s basically as simple as getting what you pay for.
- disabled 6y agoI cannot reply to your lower post, as the post tree has been expanded too far. I just want to say that Americans, and certain other westerners have no right to talk badly about teams from places like India. These teams often have some of the hardest working people in the world. They often have amazing academic credentials too, along with work credentials. People who shortchange and underpay these extremely hardworking, gracious, and devoted people are scum. The same goes with talking negatively about people from diverse places. They are not all that different from you! With the "globalization" that is occurring via the internet, which is being accelerated unbelievably fast by the pandemic, Americans are likely going to be in for an unbelievably ugly surprise in the next 10-20 years. I am American and I do not want my fellow Americans to suffer, but lifestyle, even in STEM fields is going to decline hardcore. If I am correct on my bets, it will no longer be as remotely comfortable as it was in STEM for Americans.