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> No, China is not committing genocide. Yes, they are: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_genocide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_ge

by hh3k0 6y ago

> No, China is not committing genocide. Yes, they are: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_genocide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_genocide > Why do we have to jump to genocide. Because that is the term for what they do. The refusal to call it genocide is like putting lipstick on a pig; in the end it's still a pig.

Fricken 6y ago
Interesting. According to that America is at stage 8 of 10 in it's Genocide of China.
- aembleton 6y ago
  Has America planned the mass killing of Chinese citizens?
  - Fricken 6y ago
    Yep https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/09/01/what-war-with-china-could-look-like/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/09/01/what...
    - danShumway 6y ago
      No The Millitary Times is not a government publication, and even if it was, there is nothing in this publication that advocates that mass violence against civilians would be part of a war with China. The United States is not planning an ethnic cleanse or mass killing of Chinese citizens. It is often the goal of the CCP to conflate criticism of themselves (a totalitarian government) with criticism/bigotry towards Chinese culture/people itself. In reality, those are separate things. Genocide is not a fundamental part of Chinese culture, and opposing genocide is not the same thing as opposing Chinese culture -- on the contrary, to argue that ethnic cleansing is just a cultural difference, or that criticism of ethnic cleansing is a criticism of culture, is itself a wildly insulting insinuation about the people of China. The theoretical conjecturing of a civilian-run magazine about a purely political conflict is not equivalent to an in-progress government-sponsored effort to demonize and eliminate a cultural minority.
aaron695 6y ago
You are denying Pol Pot killing 1 million Cambodians was "genocide". You are correct, it wasn't a legal pig. That is why the trials had to loophole it around killing the Cham and other minorities. Points for being technical. As I said even by your legal definition the Chinese are not committing genocide against the Uyghurs. The report FYI, which I'm not clear why we care what the lawyers at Essex Court Chambers reading news article on the BBC and NYT think on the matter. Are they even legal experts in genocide? https://14ee1ae3-14ee-4012-91cf-a6a3b7dc3d8b.usrfiles.com/ugd/14ee1a_3f31c56ca64a461592ffc2690c9bb737.pdf https://14ee1ae3-14ee-4012-91cf-a6a3b7dc3d8b.usrfiles.com/ug...
- hh3k0 6y ago
  > You are denying Pol Pot killing 1 million Cambodians was "genocide". No. > As I said even by your legal definition the Chinese are not committing genocide against the Uyghurs. Counterpoint: They absolutely are. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-o...
  - aaron695 6y ago
    Good link, Adrian Zenz is not big on the 'gays' and stuff, off topic but - Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation - Adrian Zenz - https://www.amazon.com.au/Worthy-Escape-Believers-Raptured-Tribulation/dp/144976908X https://www.amazon.com.au/Worthy-Escape-Believers-Raptured-T... Although it must suck having a Chinese army dragging out info on who their opponents are, I personally are critical of someone who looks at Christian documents to pin down technical data on the Rapture. I don't care if someone doesn't personally approve of homosexuals or believes in the Rapture, but when they publish on it, I use that to judge their other work. And this is were we differ, your 'good' sources are simply not my 'good' sources. The first thing on Wiki or Goggle is not a source to me.
    - hh3k0 6y ago
      > Good link, Adrian Zenz is not big on the 'gays' and stuff, off topic but - Off topic, indeed. And a logical fallacy to boot. > I personally are critical of someone who looks at Christian documents to pin down technical data on the Rapture. Irrelevant, as that isn't what we're talking about. Your -- now flagged -- original comment referred to the forced sterilizations too. What you think of Adrian Zenz or the UN definition of genocide is absolutely irrelevant. There are no two ways about it: forced abortions and sterilizations _do_ fullfil the UN definition of genocide.

by hh3k0 6y ago

Fricken 6y ago

Interesting. According to that America is at stage 8 of 10 in it's Genocide of China.

aembleton 6y ago
Has America planned the mass killing of Chinese citizens?
- Fricken 6y ago
  Yep https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/09/01/what-war-with-china-could-look-like/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/09/01/what...
  - danShumway 6y ago
    No The Millitary Times is not a government publication, and even if it was, there is nothing in this publication that advocates that mass violence against civilians would be part of a war with China. The United States is not planning an ethnic cleanse or mass killing of Chinese citizens. It is often the goal of the CCP to conflate criticism of themselves (a totalitarian government) with criticism/bigotry towards Chinese culture/people itself. In reality, those are separate things. Genocide is not a fundamental part of Chinese culture, and opposing genocide is not the same thing as opposing Chinese culture -- on the contrary, to argue that ethnic cleansing is just a cultural difference, or that criticism of ethnic cleansing is a criticism of culture, is itself a wildly insulting insinuation about the people of China. The theoretical conjecturing of a civilian-run magazine about a purely political conflict is not equivalent to an in-progress government-sponsored effort to demonize and eliminate a cultural minority.

aaron695 6y ago

You are denying Pol Pot killing 1 million Cambodians was "genocide". You are correct, it wasn't a legal pig. That is why the trials had to loophole it around killing the Cham and other minorities. Points for being technical. As I said even by your legal definition the Chinese are not committing genocide against the Uyghurs. The report FYI, which I'm not clear why we care what the lawyers at Essex Court Chambers reading news article on the BBC and NYT think on the matter. Are they even legal experts in genocide? https://14ee1ae3-14ee-4012-91cf-a6a3b7dc3d8b.usrfiles.com/ugd/14ee1a_3f31c56ca64a461592ffc2690c9bb737.pdf https://14ee1ae3-14ee-4012-91cf-a6a3b7dc3d8b.usrfiles.com/ug...

hh3k0 6y ago
> You are denying Pol Pot killing 1 million Cambodians was "genocide". No. > As I said even by your legal definition the Chinese are not committing genocide against the Uyghurs. Counterpoint: They absolutely are. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-o...
- aaron695 6y ago
  Good link, Adrian Zenz is not big on the 'gays' and stuff, off topic but - Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation - Adrian Zenz - https://www.amazon.com.au/Worthy-Escape-Believers-Raptured-Tribulation/dp/144976908X https://www.amazon.com.au/Worthy-Escape-Believers-Raptured-T... Although it must suck having a Chinese army dragging out info on who their opponents are, I personally are critical of someone who looks at Christian documents to pin down technical data on the Rapture. I don't care if someone doesn't personally approve of homosexuals or believes in the Rapture, but when they publish on it, I use that to judge their other work. And this is were we differ, your 'good' sources are simply not my 'good' sources. The first thing on Wiki or Goggle is not a source to me.
  - hh3k0 6y ago
    > Good link, Adrian Zenz is not big on the 'gays' and stuff, off topic but - Off topic, indeed. And a logical fallacy to boot. > I personally are critical of someone who looks at Christian documents to pin down technical data on the Rapture. Irrelevant, as that isn't what we're talking about. Your -- now flagged -- original comment referred to the forced sterilizations too. What you think of Adrian Zenz or the UN definition of genocide is absolutely irrelevant. There are no two ways about it: forced abortions and sterilizations _do_ fullfil the UN definition of genocide.