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So many of you on here are eager to form a government committee to determine what is and isn't appropriate use of electricity. How are you going to feel when th
by yourabstraction 6y ago
So many of you on here are eager to form a government committee to determine what is and isn't appropriate use of electricity. How are you going to feel when this witch hunt comes to shut down the activity that you deem useful? Maybe it'll be all the kilowatts you're drawing for an experimental ML project. Sorry, the committee just didn't see value in it! Are you really advocating to raise the barrier to experimentation and halt the pace of future technological developments? On a forum like HN nonetheless!
I can think of any number of energy uses that could be classified as wasteful, are you ready to part with them?
Turning your heat above 60 degrees in the winter
Driving more than 10 miles a day
Driving at all
Owning a videogame console
Spinning up too many cloud resources for an experimental
startup
Having a house larger than you need
Having multiple cars per family
Flying internationally
Flying anywhere
Buying a new TV, phone, laptop, or other gadget
I can imagine a really horrific dystopia where an AI is given control of the Bureau of Moral Energy Use. It starts out nice enough finding low hanging fruit to reduce energy usage with minimal impact to peoples lives. And then it's a slippery slope, all the way to the final conclusion by the computer brain that the lowest energy users are DEAD HUMANS.
The only holistic solution is to tax carbon at the time of production. Really, all economic externalities (pollution, garbage, aquifer use, etc.) should priced in at the point of production. It's too easy to never price it in if you punt to deal with it further downstream.
I love reading HN, but every time Bitcoin comes up I feel like I'm hanging out with a bunch of virtue signaling luddites. You all need to stop being butt hurt that you missed the boat and look up at the revolution that's happening.
- tarsinge 6y agoAlso eating meat, buying new clothes every few weeks/months, browsing inefficient websites, using social media with huge data centers to process personal data and target ads... These could be outright banned with no harm to society.
- PurpleFoxy 6y agoThere is such a trivial solution to this as well, set up a carbon tax or some other method that phases out all fossil fuels and charge what it costs to do this as the cost of electricity. Then at that point, who cares what you do with the power because the problem is solved. Specific laws targeting individual causes are always a useless whack a mole exercise when you can simply decentivise problems and the causes will rearrange themselves to not be problems.