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Why do we need laws around this? We need to hold the people accountable that put this into production and/or produced it. People should be able to build bad AI,

Why do we need laws around this? We need to hold the people accountable that put this into production and/or produced it. People should be able to build bad AI, but if that causes poor real world outcomes, then the people that okay'd its use need to take responsibility. "An AI erroneously banned the channel," shouldn't get any more leeway than "A support staff member banned the channel."

texasbigdata 6y ago
Because the inner bias that humans have that might lead to similar exclusion is implicitly hidden and somehow excused and the machines are held to a higher standard, for some reason.
CydeWeys 6y ago
> "An AI erroneously banned the channel," shouldn't get any more leeway than "A support staff member banned the channel. What would curtail the leeway then? Other than losing public trust in the product for this happening repeatedly anyway?
notriddle 6y ago
Apple uses 100% human labor for their app reviews. They get about as much accountability as Google does. Personally, I think the AI is a total red herring.
amirkdv 6y ago
> Why do we need laws around this? We need to hold the people accountable [...] [T]he people that okay'd its use need to take responsibility. Genuinely asking: what do you think profitable companies would do to their ML engineers over a product issue like this if there was no law under which they would be sued? I think accountability without an enforcement mechanism is just a wishful suggestion.
- Aerroon 6y ago
  >what do you think profitable companies would do to their ML engineers over a product issue like this if there was no law under which they would be sued? Nothing. Maybe a reprimand at best, because the consequences of this are fairly minor. If a store erroneously bans you and them unbans you and says that there was a mixup with their policy, then what do you think should be the consequences to the store? If it's effectively a monopoly then I can see there being problems, but if it's just a random store then that doesn't really matter.

texasbigdata 6y ago

Because the inner bias that humans have that might lead to similar exclusion is implicitly hidden and somehow excused and the machines are held to a higher standard, for some reason.

CydeWeys 6y ago

> "An AI erroneously banned the channel," shouldn't get any more leeway than "A support staff member banned the channel. What would curtail the leeway then? Other than losing public trust in the product for this happening repeatedly anyway?

notriddle 6y ago

Apple uses 100% human labor for their app reviews. They get about as much accountability as Google does. Personally, I think the AI is a total red herring.

amirkdv 6y ago

> Why do we need laws around this? We need to hold the people accountable [...] [T]he people that okay'd its use need to take responsibility. Genuinely asking: what do you think profitable companies would do to their ML engineers over a product issue like this if there was no law under which they would be sued? I think accountability without an enforcement mechanism is just a wishful suggestion.

Aerroon 6y ago
>what do you think profitable companies would do to their ML engineers over a product issue like this if there was no law under which they would be sued? Nothing. Maybe a reprimand at best, because the consequences of this are fairly minor. If a store erroneously bans you and them unbans you and says that there was a mixup with their policy, then what do you think should be the consequences to the store? If it's effectively a monopoly then I can see there being problems, but if it's just a random store then that doesn't really matter.