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Germany, once a model, is swamped like everyone else by pandemic's second wave
- jiofih 6y agoPaywall. Can we please stop linking to URLs that have no public content? Would it be ok if I start linking to some closed community in a part of?
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- jiofih 6y agoWhat are existing workarounds for the NYT? They have blocked all of them on mobile.
- Someone 6y agoThis article shows up fine in private mode (iOS)
- mtmail 6y agoA minute after this comment somebody provided a URL with a work-around.
- jiofih 6y agoarchive.is is blocked 99% of the time here. I don’t get why a hacker community puts up with a practice hostile to the open web.
- dang 6y agoThis has been explained so many times that it has long since become off topic. If there's a workaround, it's ok. Users usually post workarounds in the thread. Besides the FAQ that mtmail linked to, there's more explanation here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=paywalls%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989
- nobody9999 6y ago>What are existing workarounds for the NYT? Disable javascript. Which is a good idea on most sites.
- Asmod4n 6y agoThe 2nd wave is about to end in germany, the numbers are going down each day. Because of that they scheduled the schools to open monday (today in germany). But the teachers and staff haven't been vaccinated yet. The official numbers released over the weekend suggest a steep increase in cases, with the variants which spread 75% faster. This has been predicted weeks ago by leading scientists and chancelor merkel warned about it too, but it looks like some key people chose to ignore those warnings sadly. Edit: The numbers for the weekend are usally much lower because they test less, but its higher than all week long.
- AndrewBissell 6y agoI don't see the "steep increase" in cases you're referring to on any of the public trackers. So far the additional contagion of the new variants, whatever it actually is (I'm doubtful of "75% more"), is not enough to overtake increasingly favorable seasonality.
- Asmod4n 6y agoThe numbers for sunday are usally much lower than during the week because they are processing less tests, but today its higher than at the beginning of the week.
- Exmoor 6y agoLooking at the raw data [0], cases reported on Saturday/Sunday are a little higher than last week, but the weekday cases rates match up week to week. Seems more plausible it's just noise in the data to me, but time will tell. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
- Asmod4n 6y agoHm, the Numbers differ from what is published from the state itself?
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- spaetzleesser 6y agoI think there is a lot to learn from this. When you look at different US states and different countries it’s really not clear which measures worked better than others. Germany looked really good for a while but now they have caught up with the rest. Within the US it’s also not clear if the states who had stricter lockdowns did better than others who don’t lock down that much. It seems everybody gets hit eventually, just at different times. Let’s hope that there will be an objective evaluation and not just political infighting.
- Asmod4n 6y agoThere are plans to stop it all in 5 weeks, but the way its treated at the moment might make it last for several years. I still have hope polititians will realise it we cannot take the risk of it mutating every few months.
- AndrewBissell 6y agoThe virus is going to mutate regardless of what any politicians do, unless the immunity provided by vaccines and natural infections is sufficient to fend off any new variants. The idea that this can be prevented somehow with lockdowns and controls is just a classic case of illusion of control.
- spaetzleesser 6y ago"There are plans to stop it all in 5 weeks," What plans?
- MatthiasWandel 6y agoAtlantic Canada was able to wipe out the virus completely early in the pandemic. But travel keeps bringing it in, causing outbreaks here and there, but each time so far they have gotten The outbreaks under control. Cases per capita are about a tenth of the rest of Canada, which in turn is half of what it is in the us. And ironically, restrictions here are less than in many hard hit areas.
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- neonate 6y agoAnd https://web.archive.org/web/20210220145345/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/20/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-second-wave.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210220145345/https://www.nytim...
- thrawa567 6y agoGermany is at the start of the third wave (B117). Also: Germany is way behind in information infra, which is just painful to watch.
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- LatteLazy 6y agoThe model is Australia. Australia got it right. That's why they've been back in the pubs, restaurants, schools, gyms and sports venues for 90% of the last 6+ months.
- HideousKojima 6y agoIt certainly helps when you're an island
- LatteLazy 6y agoI think you are right, it definately helps. That said, us brits are an island we've had one of the worst performances. I think you want to be on an island AND have some leadership in government. That's what we have missed, no leadership.
- jacobkg 6y agoMy loose impression is that the countries that did the best are islands: Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand. South Korea is effectively an island since its only land border is locked down. Could this be an important factor?
- Isinlor 6y agoFinland and Norway are doing great. Finland has 131 deaths per million, Norway 111, while Sweden has 1247. And Sweden is right between Finland and Norway.
- creato 6y agoIt seems like with the possible exception of Asian countries, the variation in pandemic outcomes is pretty close to random. No western country has implemented any policy consistently enough to learn from it. How many times have we some region held up as a success story only to be the epicenter 2 months later?
- tmnvix 6y agoI feel like the various policies have been consistently applied here in NZ.
- AndrewBissell 6y agoIsland countries are a special case. Hawaii has similarly been able to keep cases down to a small handful, at the cost of tanking the tourist economy on which the state depends. To achieve the same level of screening in a country with large land borders like Germany would require truly draconian travel and trade restrictions.
- markdown 6y agoA border is a border. You need permission to get across a border. It's not more draconian to restrict cross-border movement in Germany than it is in New Zealand, Fiji, or Mali.
- Arainach 6y agoHawaii and New Zealand have a fixed number of points of entry - airports for the most part, as well as a very few select ports (not that those are a major concern with recreational cruises shut down globally). Land borders are continuous with far more access points (spreading any testing or resources thin) and much more traffic due to lower cost and easier access.
- markdown 6y agoSurely you jest? Does Germany not have an army? It's one of the wealthiest countries in the world. They can definitely show down the borders any time they want. See this from a year ago: https://www.gov.si/en/news/2020-03-20-germany-limits-the-number-of-open-border-crossing-points/ https://www.gov.si/en/news/2020-03-20-germany-limits-the-num... > and much more traffic due to lower cost and easier access The traffic only exists while there is a high chance that people can cross the border. Close the borders for everything but cargo, and there will be much less traffic. People will make up all sorts of excuses, but in fact anything is possible if you take the risk seriously enough. I mean if COVID killed everyone it infected instantly and turned them into zombies, how soon would you see every way into Germany guarded?
- rasz 6y ago>After winning widespread recognition for its handling of the coronavirus last year WHAT? When exactly was Germany a model of Covid response? Maybe when they were bashing Poland for closing borders on March 14 just to do the same thing two days later? German state run TV station ZDF Claus Kleber lecturing Poles about historical importance of open borders between Poland and Germany (face palm) on March 14, and a day later praising Germany for doing the very same thing: https://twitter.com/thomaskycia/status/1239671652755091456 https://twitter.com/thomaskycia/status/1239671652755091456 Results of their "widely recognized" policies, like not mandating masks in public spaces: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/#graph-deaths-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/#g... compare to border neighbor with early heavy handed and actually enforced lockdown (which paradoxically got loosened in October :/): https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/poland/#graph-deaths-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/poland/#gr...
- zwaps 6y agoI mean I'm sorry but since you posted the graphs: For a country that is less than half the population, having essentially the same number of daily cases today is perhaps not such a good thing. According to worldometer, Poland has twice as many active cases in total - not per person. Deaths are also comparable. That's now, but it's more than that: Up until now, Germany has both lower total cases and deaths (per person) than Poland. And this, despite having tested almost twice as many people (again, per million) than Poland. Further, Germany is arguably much more central in terms of international traffic in either direction. I fail to see how Poland is doing any better than Germany in its response. The data instead suggests that Germany, despite actually having a first wave in its books (thanks to early testing), is doing much better than Poland up until now. Who knows how that will change? But considering Germany's position vis-a-vis Poland in terms of travel, density of population and all that - given the data you provided - Germany is arguably more successful in combating covid by.. well honestly a lot.
- rasz 6y ago>Poland has twice as many active cases in total - not per person and 50% less critical ones, in a shitshow of a backward country with crumbling healthcare system. Dosnt exactly put Germany in a great light. >Deaths are also comparable. Today. Article is talking about outstanding early covid response. Look at March-May, Germany had 10x more deaths total, and still 5x more per person than Poland. So where did that "widespread recognition for its handling of the coronavirus" came from exactly?
- sul_tasto 6y agoThe lockdowns are no longer a credible strategy. The politicians are not willing to implement the draconian measures necessary to actually prevent transmission. So they are implementing half measures they know are ineffective to create a semblance of effective governance. Why else have so many politicians been caught flouting their own policies?
- s9w 6y agoThere was no first wave, there is no second wave. Germany didn't have a single additional death. ICU utilization was below prior years, number of ventilations was lower than prior years, number of people with respiratory diseases was lower than prior years. All these numbers are public.