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- heavyset_go 6y ago"Argument from fallacy Argument from fallacy is the formal fallacy of analyzing an argument and inferring that, since it contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false. It is also called argument to logic (argumentum ad logicam), the fallacy fallacy, the fallacist's fallacy, and the bad reasons fallacy." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
- idlewords 6y agoAnd let us not forget the Argument from Cut and Paste, beloved of this forum.
- drdeca 6y agoSaying that an argument is fallacious isn’t the same thing as saying that because the argument is fallacious, it is therefore wrong. Surely you don’t think that all cases of pointing out that something is a fallacy need to include a disclaimer saying “but of course, that doesn’t in itself imply that the conclusion is wrong”. After all, you did not include such a disclaimer yourself. That being said, it seems that the back and forth here doesn’t really seem to have any statements of the form “X (and also Y), therefore Z”. So, I guess that makes it hard to analyze formally as an argument, as instead much of the things like that being explicitly said, there are things being mentioned, with a number of things left implicit.
- idlewords 6y agoI gave a whole talk about how this form of mind wank is theological cosplay, but it may not be Dark Enlightenment enough for your tastes. I'm no Scott Alexander. https://idlewords.com/talks/superintelligence.htm https://idlewords.com/talks/superintelligence.htm
- idlebirds 6y agoInterested in setting up a clubhouse on this topic?
- mistermann 6y agoI like this part best: "What I hope I've done today is shown you the dangers of being too smart. Hopefully you'll leave this talk a little dumber than you started it, and be more immune to the seductions of AI that seem to bedevil smarter people."