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Exactly. When you want to install one of those fast-paced pieces of software on your system, you're often dissatisfied with the old version coming with your OS

by pvorb 6y ago

Exactly. When you want to install one of those fast-paced pieces of software on your system, you're often dissatisfied with the old version coming with your OS anyway.

drran 6y ago
I see no problem to bump versions of a few packages, rebuild them, and install them via system package manager. Are you developer or user? Of course, some software may not work after that, but package manager newer stays in your way, unless you have no idea how to use it.
- pvorb 6y ago
  I'm a software developer and a user of package managers. A package manager that allows me to only have one version of a software package installed will inevitably get in my way if I need two programs that need different, incompatible versions of that dependency. It happens quite a lot in my experience.
  - drran 6y ago
    Basically, you want to put two versions of the same file(s) into one file. If you need two versions of almost same set of files, then chose different name for the package, e.g. package-2, chose different base directory for package files, e.g. /usr/share/package-2, and chose different names for binaries, e.g. /usr/bin/binary-2. It's not a magic. Just look at examples, e.g. python2 and python3.
    - pvorb 6y ago
      But I'm not the author of those packages. How does the package manager allow me to rename existing packages?
      - drran 6y ago
        You can create your own repository, where you will be maintainer of your packages. You can use it locally, as directory on disk, or you can put it on a server and share with others, or you can compile it using openSUSE Build Service, which supports OpenSuSE, SLE, Fedora, RedHat, CentOS, Debian, Arch, etc.: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_supported_build_targets https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_supported_bui...
  - Chyzwar 6y ago
    To some extent you can do it with snap. https://snapcraft.io/blog/parallel-installs-test-and-run-multiple-instances-of-snaps https://snapcraft.io/blog/parallel-installs-test-and-run-mul... A lot of discussion here is already solved by snap/flatpack.

by pvorb 6y ago

Exactly. When you want to install one of those fast-paced pieces of software on your system, you're often dissatisfied with the old version coming with your OS anyway.

drran 6y ago

I see no problem to bump versions of a few packages, rebuild them, and install them via system package manager. Are you developer or user? Of course, some software may not work after that, but package manager newer stays in your way, unless you have no idea how to use it.

pvorb 6y ago
I'm a software developer and a user of package managers. A package manager that allows me to only have one version of a software package installed will inevitably get in my way if I need two programs that need different, incompatible versions of that dependency. It happens quite a lot in my experience.
- drran 6y ago
  Basically, you want to put two versions of the same file(s) into one file. If you need two versions of almost same set of files, then chose different name for the package, e.g. package-2, chose different base directory for package files, e.g. /usr/share/package-2, and chose different names for binaries, e.g. /usr/bin/binary-2. It's not a magic. Just look at examples, e.g. python2 and python3.
  - pvorb 6y ago
    But I'm not the author of those packages. How does the package manager allow me to rename existing packages?
    - drran 6y ago
      You can create your own repository, where you will be maintainer of your packages. You can use it locally, as directory on disk, or you can put it on a server and share with others, or you can compile it using openSUSE Build Service, which supports OpenSuSE, SLE, Fedora, RedHat, CentOS, Debian, Arch, etc.: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_supported_build_targets https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_supported_bui...
- Chyzwar 6y ago
  To some extent you can do it with snap. https://snapcraft.io/blog/parallel-installs-test-and-run-multiple-instances-of-snaps https://snapcraft.io/blog/parallel-installs-test-and-run-mul... A lot of discussion here is already solved by snap/flatpack.