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So, if you chat with a business, Facebook will know details about the business, and maybe the chat. That's the real value Facebook gives business to use WhatsAp

So, if you chat with a business, Facebook will know details about the business, and maybe the chat. That's the real value Facebook gives business to use WhatsApp. If you only chat with private numbers, WhatsApp will operate exactly as it was before the privacy policy changes, Facebook will know nothing about you. Is this correct?

NanoWar 6y ago
TheY can sell metadata from private chats (maybe like a profile) to said businesses...
- TrianguloY 6y ago
  Can they? And which metadata? In any case, that's assuming you talk with a business. So if you don't, will they sell that metadata too? If you talk with a business, lets say a bakery, Facebook will know you talked with that bakery, and if you talk with a different business that other business may know it too. That's metadata about you that they explicitly say they collect. But if you never talked with a business...what will Facebook know?
  - ldiracdelta 6y ago
    The graph. 30% of your close contact interact with these bakeries, so there is a higher than baseline probability that you are likely to be a potential customer for those bakeries.
    - TrianguloY 6y ago
      And then, if I decide to contact that bakery, then I guess Facebook will mix the data that my closed contacts interacted and then myself, I assume so. But if I don't interact...they can't (or rather they shouldn't). They state that you will never be contacted without you doing the first move, so even if all my closed contacts chat with the bakery Facebook will have 'this user is highly likely to contact this bakery' data, but can't do anything about that unless I personally contact myself, apparently. Edit: nop, as their policy say: 'your contact list will never be shared with Facebook' so even if all my contacts chat with the bakery Facebook won't have the data 'this user is very likely to contact this bakery'. Facebook can, of course, just 'ignore' their own policy and give this data to the bakery so that they contact me directly, but doing so will be a direct contact break. This is Facebook, it is not entirely impossible (unfortunately) but if they do it will be another scandal. Is this the fear people have for WhatsApp?
eznzt 6y ago
So, I never chat with businesses, and I live in the EU. This new privacy policy should not concern me much?
- bryan_w 6y ago
  Exactly. If you never chat with businesses, nothing changes at all. The update just spells it out in clearer terms.

NanoWar 6y ago

TheY can sell metadata from private chats (maybe like a profile) to said businesses...

TrianguloY 6y ago
Can they? And which metadata? In any case, that's assuming you talk with a business. So if you don't, will they sell that metadata too? If you talk with a business, lets say a bakery, Facebook will know you talked with that bakery, and if you talk with a different business that other business may know it too. That's metadata about you that they explicitly say they collect. But if you never talked with a business...what will Facebook know?
- ldiracdelta 6y ago
  The graph. 30% of your close contact interact with these bakeries, so there is a higher than baseline probability that you are likely to be a potential customer for those bakeries.
  - TrianguloY 6y ago
    And then, if I decide to contact that bakery, then I guess Facebook will mix the data that my closed contacts interacted and then myself, I assume so. But if I don't interact...they can't (or rather they shouldn't). They state that you will never be contacted without you doing the first move, so even if all my closed contacts chat with the bakery Facebook will have 'this user is highly likely to contact this bakery' data, but can't do anything about that unless I personally contact myself, apparently. Edit: nop, as their policy say: 'your contact list will never be shared with Facebook' so even if all my contacts chat with the bakery Facebook won't have the data 'this user is very likely to contact this bakery'. Facebook can, of course, just 'ignore' their own policy and give this data to the bakery so that they contact me directly, but doing so will be a direct contact break. This is Facebook, it is not entirely impossible (unfortunately) but if they do it will be another scandal. Is this the fear people have for WhatsApp?

eznzt 6y ago

So, I never chat with businesses, and I live in the EU. This new privacy policy should not concern me much?

bryan_w 6y ago
Exactly. If you never chat with businesses, nothing changes at all. The update just spells it out in clearer terms.