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You have to take look at an empathetic view - it's very easy for someone like me (and assume you), to tell everyone else to comply with the lockdowns while you

You have to take look at an empathetic view - it's very easy for someone like me (and assume you), to tell everyone else to comply with the lockdowns while you continue to take a salary from $tech. If you are business owner watching your savings whittle away while the state forces you to stay closed and congress continues to do nothing, what can you do? What do you say to those people who look at Florida who have stayed opened to only have have similar per-capita numbers than that of California? I don't put the blame entirely on Newsom, but America's COVID response has been a failure. We failed to enforce lockdowns, failed to do any sort of contact tracing and failed to give people confidence that there is any light at the end of tunnel.

vladgur 6y ago
Define “similar per capita rates” Financial times shows that Florida had 20% more deaths attributed to COVID per capita cumulatively. I do agree that CA failed to build on top of the success of early shutdowns, but I disagree that a hands off approach of Florida or the Dakotas can be deemed as a success by anyone. https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart
- ratsmack 6y ago
  Some comparisons: https://boogheta.github.io/coronavirus-countries/#country=USA&deceased&ratio&places=California,Florida,New%20York&alignTo=deceased https://boogheta.github.io/coronavirus-countries/#country=US... I will also note that FL has a significantly larger elderly population than CA.
- nemothekid 6y ago
  >but I disagree that a hands off approach of Florida or the Dakotas can be deemed as a success by anyone. First, you are right, I think I misremembered; California has a similar number of cases per capita. However, it was not my intention to show Florida as a success; I only mean to point out that it's hard to convince people to continue with the lockdowns when the results feel marginal.
sakopov 6y ago
> I don't put the blame entirely on Newsom, but America's COVID response has been a failure. We failed to enforce lockdowns, failed to do any sort of contact tracing and failed to give people confidence that there is any light at the end of tunnel. Who would have thought that keeping citizens locked inside and spying on them when they are out of their dwellings effectively indefinitely isn't going to fly in "the land of the free." The reaction of the people is exactly what I would expect from a society that respects its freedoms while watching their leadership scaremonger and act against their own rhetoric and the media/big tech refuse dialogue and blatantly shut down any opposing views on the pandemic. We can blame whomever we want for this, what happened in America is the best thing that could've happened without completely stomping on civil rights.
- nemothekid 6y ago
  >Who would have thought that keeping citizens locked inside and spying on them when they are out of their dwellings effectively indefinitely isn't going to fly in "the land of the free." I'm sorry but this is completely pretentious. When it comes to saving lives we are the "land of the free" but when it comes to (1) making money and (2) indefinite war in the middle east then that goes out the window. It's pure cope to help us feel better about not having a government that can adequately function in time of crisis. I fully disagree, America could have handled this 100 times better but political grandstanding came first at every step of the way.

vladgur 6y ago

Define “similar per capita rates” Financial times shows that Florida had 20% more deaths attributed to COVID per capita cumulatively. I do agree that CA failed to build on top of the success of early shutdowns, but I disagree that a hands off approach of Florida or the Dakotas can be deemed as a success by anyone. https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart

ratsmack 6y ago
Some comparisons: https://boogheta.github.io/coronavirus-countries/#country=USA&deceased&ratio&places=California,Florida,New%20York&alignTo=deceased https://boogheta.github.io/coronavirus-countries/#country=US... I will also note that FL has a significantly larger elderly population than CA.
nemothekid 6y ago
>but I disagree that a hands off approach of Florida or the Dakotas can be deemed as a success by anyone. First, you are right, I think I misremembered; California has a similar number of cases per capita. However, it was not my intention to show Florida as a success; I only mean to point out that it's hard to convince people to continue with the lockdowns when the results feel marginal.

sakopov 6y ago

> I don't put the blame entirely on Newsom, but America's COVID response has been a failure. We failed to enforce lockdowns, failed to do any sort of contact tracing and failed to give people confidence that there is any light at the end of tunnel. Who would have thought that keeping citizens locked inside and spying on them when they are out of their dwellings effectively indefinitely isn't going to fly in "the land of the free." The reaction of the people is exactly what I would expect from a society that respects its freedoms while watching their leadership scaremonger and act against their own rhetoric and the media/big tech refuse dialogue and blatantly shut down any opposing views on the pandemic. We can blame whomever we want for this, what happened in America is the best thing that could've happened without completely stomping on civil rights.

nemothekid 6y ago
>Who would have thought that keeping citizens locked inside and spying on them when they are out of their dwellings effectively indefinitely isn't going to fly in "the land of the free." I'm sorry but this is completely pretentious. When it comes to saving lives we are the "land of the free" but when it comes to (1) making money and (2) indefinite war in the middle east then that goes out the window. It's pure cope to help us feel better about not having a government that can adequately function in time of crisis. I fully disagree, America could have handled this 100 times better but political grandstanding came first at every step of the way.