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“ If you really want an environmental problem to tackle go fight the oil industry killing thousands of animals every day, destroying communities every day, dest

“ If you really want an environmental problem to tackle go fight the oil industry killing thousands of animals every day, destroying communities every day, destroying them literally.” It’s not one or the other. I’m critical of Bitcoin just like I’m critical of other things affecting the environment. “If you just tax it or try to ban it they’ll just move” Good. Let them move. Not everything is about acquiring as much money as physically possible. Getting more money out of people is not a tenable argument for whether something is appropriate or not. Markets are wildly inefficient and do not account for everything. The areas that had low electricity prices were doing just fine for themselves before Bitcoin miners moved in, and will do just fine afterwards. Saying we should allow things because “money” is just sickening. At least come up with a better argument.

insert_coin 6y ago
Well then, that it sickens you is such a better argument isn't it not? You should've told us earlier! Look, we can admit the reality of the world we live in or we can pretend, but only if we admit the real world to ourselves we can even begin to contemplate finding some kind of solution to our problems. Trying to ban everything you don't like is what is really sickening because newsflash, people can think for themselves and don't need you to decide what's moral for them. Money is important in society, deal with it. Money is useful in society, deal with it. Money, for better or worse, arguably controls society. Deal with it.
- andrewzah 6y ago
  Living in reality is different than justifying it. Saying that Bitcoin miners using up electricity means there was no better use is not derived from reality- that’s your own personal viewpoint. I don’t need to make any argument as I’m not the one presenting anything here. All I’m saying is that “money is good, therefore actions that net money are good”, is a terrible argument and we can do better than that.
- TomSwirly 6y ago
  > Trying to ban everything you don't like is what is really sickening You could make the same argument about any law. This isn't something we "don't like" - cryptocurrencies are tremendously destructive of the world's resources and their only use so far is crime - money laundering, tax evasion and buying or selling contraband. We should be making these things illegal in just the same way we make money laundering and other things that damage society illegal.
vinger 6y ago
I see them aligning with the locals and saying perhaps you should move out if you protest too much.

insert_coin 6y ago

Well then, that it sickens you is such a better argument isn't it not? You should've told us earlier! Look, we can admit the reality of the world we live in or we can pretend, but only if we admit the real world to ourselves we can even begin to contemplate finding some kind of solution to our problems. Trying to ban everything you don't like is what is really sickening because newsflash, people can think for themselves and don't need you to decide what's moral for them. Money is important in society, deal with it. Money is useful in society, deal with it. Money, for better or worse, arguably controls society. Deal with it.

andrewzah 6y ago
Living in reality is different than justifying it. Saying that Bitcoin miners using up electricity means there was no better use is not derived from reality- that’s your own personal viewpoint. I don’t need to make any argument as I’m not the one presenting anything here. All I’m saying is that “money is good, therefore actions that net money are good”, is a terrible argument and we can do better than that.
TomSwirly 6y ago
> Trying to ban everything you don't like is what is really sickening You could make the same argument about any law. This isn't something we "don't like" - cryptocurrencies are tremendously destructive of the world's resources and their only use so far is crime - money laundering, tax evasion and buying or selling contraband. We should be making these things illegal in just the same way we make money laundering and other things that damage society illegal.

vinger 6y ago

I see them aligning with the locals and saying perhaps you should move out if you protest too much.