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Yeah, imagine if this applied to trucks. No one could use one for non truck bed usage. Ford disables ignition if it detects the bed is empty after X concurrent

Yeah, imagine if this applied to trucks. No one could use one for non truck bed usage. Ford disables ignition if it detects the bed is empty after X concurrent uses or miles. Trucks generally are often wasted (from a green perspective) because people like them not for their intended design utility. Same for single passenger SUV usage etc... (I drive an SUV - not trolling those that do)

thgaway17 6y ago
Yeah it would suck, but if Ford F150s were selling for $100,000 because drag racers were buying them up, I don’t think I’d mind.
- gruez 6y ago
  That's not exactly the same because vehicles are essential for everyday life (commuting), whereas GPUs aren't.
  - marcooliv 6y ago
    well, it's fundamental for my business, GPU overpriced can affect people's life.
    - o-__-o 6y ago
      I just want to upgrade my 9 year old pc. I’m not looking forward to spending $400 for what should cost $170
      - Shared404 6y ago
        Contact local small-scale computer repair shops. We often have used GPU's for around the price range you're looking for. They won't be fantastic, but probably an upgrade for a 9 year old machine. Edit: I should also add, a lot of the really small scale shops also don't list 100% of their inventory online, with the benefit that it doesn't get scalped up like everything else.
  - ratww 6y ago
    GPUs are essential for a few jobs that are essential to our society. They're not just for games.
    - myself248 6y ago
      We must have different definitions of "essential". I'm curious which jobs you're referring to, because to my understanding, every aspect of society that I consider essential, has existed since before the advent of GPUs.
      - throwaway3699 6y ago
        I'm guessing CAD and engineering uses?
        floatboth 6y ago
        CAD doesn't really use GPU power, only a basic viewport that any integrated potato can render. Related simulation stuff (CFD, FEM) can be done with GPU compute but it seems that CPU is usually good enough. Probably the most critical usage of GPUs is scientific simulations for biology/medicine, climate, space, etc.
      - King-Aaron 6y ago
        > every aspect of society that I consider essential, has existed since before the advent of GPUs Modern computers have allowed these 'forever existing' technologies to scale to our population growth. Try building freeways without modern computers, or performing modern medical interventions without them.
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s3cur3 6y ago
I think it’s important to note that the 3060 is not for sale yet. Nvidia is telling everyone up front that this is how it’s going to work. The analogy is improved like this: Ford announces in advance that their upcoming truck requires a certain usage, and if you want whatever special commercial usage, you need to pay a premium. You might be grumpy about the upcharge, but this is a very different situation from them changing the terms of the deal after the sale.
- social_quotient 6y ago
  Yeah I thought about commercial usage. And they do generally need a specific license types. Eg I can’t drive a dump truck. But then I started thinking the analogous Tesla v100 or something which is higher priced for commercial application. Wouldn’t it be fair to say nvidia makes the 3060-3090 for gamers and not for commercial rendering farms. So why is using a gaming gpu for autocad really any different than using it for mining. Implicit somewhere is the economics and supply is that nvidia has made these ans knows people use them for work. What would be our collective thinking if they made the gpu not work for non games? This would probably increase supply further for the gamers. Commercial users should and would pay more since they are literally profiting from their use. Miners would buy the edition now meant for them.
- MikeUt 6y ago
  The key difference is a manufacturer exerting control over what you're allowed to do with property that is supposedly "yours". That the terms were announced ahead of time will mean little once this becomes commonplace.
  - jowsie 6y ago
    This has been commonplace for a long time. See consoles, phones, etc.
    - MikeUt 6y ago
      And it's getting worse.
apricot 6y ago
> Yeah, imagine if this applied to trucks. No one could use one for non truck bed usage. John Deere has entered the chat.

thgaway17 6y ago

Yeah it would suck, but if Ford F150s were selling for $100,000 because drag racers were buying them up, I don’t think I’d mind.

gruez 6y ago
That's not exactly the same because vehicles are essential for everyday life (commuting), whereas GPUs aren't.
- marcooliv 6y ago
  well, it's fundamental for my business, GPU overpriced can affect people's life.
  - o-__-o 6y ago
    I just want to upgrade my 9 year old pc. I’m not looking forward to spending $400 for what should cost $170
    - Shared404 6y ago
      Contact local small-scale computer repair shops. We often have used GPU's for around the price range you're looking for. They won't be fantastic, but probably an upgrade for a 9 year old machine. Edit: I should also add, a lot of the really small scale shops also don't list 100% of their inventory online, with the benefit that it doesn't get scalped up like everything else.
- ratww 6y ago
  GPUs are essential for a few jobs that are essential to our society. They're not just for games.
  - myself248 6y ago
    We must have different definitions of "essential". I'm curious which jobs you're referring to, because to my understanding, every aspect of society that I consider essential, has existed since before the advent of GPUs.
    - throwaway3699 6y ago
      I'm guessing CAD and engineering uses?
      - floatboth 6y ago
        CAD doesn't really use GPU power, only a basic viewport that any integrated potato can render. Related simulation stuff (CFD, FEM) can be done with GPU compute but it seems that CPU is usually good enough. Probably the most critical usage of GPUs is scientific simulations for biology/medicine, climate, space, etc.
    - King-Aaron 6y ago
      > every aspect of society that I consider essential, has existed since before the advent of GPUs Modern computers have allowed these 'forever existing' technologies to scale to our population growth. Try building freeways without modern computers, or performing modern medical interventions without them.
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s3cur3 6y ago

I think it’s important to note that the 3060 is not for sale yet. Nvidia is telling everyone up front that this is how it’s going to work. The analogy is improved like this: Ford announces in advance that their upcoming truck requires a certain usage, and if you want whatever special commercial usage, you need to pay a premium. You might be grumpy about the upcharge, but this is a very different situation from them changing the terms of the deal after the sale.

social_quotient 6y ago
Yeah I thought about commercial usage. And they do generally need a specific license types. Eg I can’t drive a dump truck. But then I started thinking the analogous Tesla v100 or something which is higher priced for commercial application. Wouldn’t it be fair to say nvidia makes the 3060-3090 for gamers and not for commercial rendering farms. So why is using a gaming gpu for autocad really any different than using it for mining. Implicit somewhere is the economics and supply is that nvidia has made these ans knows people use them for work. What would be our collective thinking if they made the gpu not work for non games? This would probably increase supply further for the gamers. Commercial users should and would pay more since they are literally profiting from their use. Miners would buy the edition now meant for them.
MikeUt 6y ago
The key difference is a manufacturer exerting control over what you're allowed to do with property that is supposedly "yours". That the terms were announced ahead of time will mean little once this becomes commonplace.
- jowsie 6y ago
  This has been commonplace for a long time. See consoles, phones, etc.
  - MikeUt 6y ago
    And it's getting worse.

apricot 6y ago

> Yeah, imagine if this applied to trucks. No one could use one for non truck bed usage. John Deere has entered the chat.