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> I don't see tangible value in crypto. Crypto is worth what other people are willing to pay for it. If you wanted to invest in an asset that does not depend on

> I don't see tangible value in crypto. Crypto is worth what other people are willing to pay for it. If you wanted to invest in an asset that does not depend on the currency you could buy gold. Try convincing any crypto "enthusiast" of that, though. Literally none of them have ever been able to explain to me why cryptocurrencies should have value, but that doesn't stop them from proclaiming it the best thing since sliced bread.

qqii 6y ago
It comes down to opinion but I'd argue there is inherent value in a trustless medium of exchange, a trustless explicit protocol for lending, market making (exchange) or gambling or the platform that powers them. I'd also agree that price bubbles happen and future speculation becomes a dominating factor in their price action, but this doesn't mean they don't have inherent value.
- salawat 6y ago
  It isn't trustless. If it's finance, it's trust based at the very core. Somebody is trusting somebody else to recognize the value up for offer, and being capable of converting it to a utilizable form. This is what crypto-enthusiasts must be blind to. We could be using bottlecaps to do the same bloody thing. Nobody wants to though. Why? Because nobody else takes the value assertion of a bottle cap seriously. As long as people keep buying into the hype, and the enthusiasm is kept up through selective refusal to accept the realities and externalities of the process, then the gravy train continues.
  - qqii 6y ago
    It's not about trusting if the bottle caps are worth anything or are useful, but if the supply and exchange of bottle caps follows the financial rules that are dictated.
tiborsaas 6y ago
Finite resources have value.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  Crypto isn’t a resource. It’s a certificate that someone, sometime solved a useless math problem.
salawat 6y ago
That's because the value and effectivenesd of cryptocurrencies as an un or poorly regulated store-of-value is dependent on their not being any doubt as to their value. As with most things in finance, it's all trust at the bottom of it. If there is any doubt, no one will be around to be left with the bag.
ffggvv 6y ago
i used to be one... there is no real argument. it’s just mania driven by the price going up and hoping for the price to go up. any argument against btc stands between them and the moon so they respond with anger. it’s like on reddit when gamestop stock was 400 trying to tell people to sell was met with anger

qqii 6y ago

It comes down to opinion but I'd argue there is inherent value in a trustless medium of exchange, a trustless explicit protocol for lending, market making (exchange) or gambling or the platform that powers them. I'd also agree that price bubbles happen and future speculation becomes a dominating factor in their price action, but this doesn't mean they don't have inherent value.

salawat 6y ago
It isn't trustless. If it's finance, it's trust based at the very core. Somebody is trusting somebody else to recognize the value up for offer, and being capable of converting it to a utilizable form. This is what crypto-enthusiasts must be blind to. We could be using bottlecaps to do the same bloody thing. Nobody wants to though. Why? Because nobody else takes the value assertion of a bottle cap seriously. As long as people keep buying into the hype, and the enthusiasm is kept up through selective refusal to accept the realities and externalities of the process, then the gravy train continues.
- qqii 6y ago
  It's not about trusting if the bottle caps are worth anything or are useful, but if the supply and exchange of bottle caps follows the financial rules that are dictated.

tiborsaas 6y ago

Finite resources have value.

pmiller2 6y ago
Crypto isn’t a resource. It’s a certificate that someone, sometime solved a useless math problem.

salawat 6y ago

That's because the value and effectivenesd of cryptocurrencies as an un or poorly regulated store-of-value is dependent on their not being any doubt as to their value. As with most things in finance, it's all trust at the bottom of it. If there is any doubt, no one will be around to be left with the bag.

ffggvv 6y ago

i used to be one... there is no real argument. it’s just mania driven by the price going up and hoping for the price to go up. any argument against btc stands between them and the moon so they respond with anger. it’s like on reddit when gamestop stock was 400 trying to tell people to sell was met with anger