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What I think is a major issue is that the UN "human rights" document says that schooling is mandatory and must teach about the UN (yep! it is a "human right"

What I think is a major issue is that the UN "human rights" document says that schooling is mandatory and must teach about the UN (yep! it is a "human right" to be indoctrinated) I noticed then that several governments to please the UN (and get their precious IMF money and whatnot) will then game the stats as needed. I am from Brazil, here the public schools after UN meddling got in the picture first went the route OP said, but the UN didn't rated the country education based on scores, but based on dropouts, the more dropouts you have the worse your score is. So solution is not have dropouts! Cue government doing two things: 1. Banning any possible form of homeschooling. 2. Making a law where you can't fail a kid, even if the kid is completely retarded and just drools all day, as long the kid in question can write their own name (even if they don't understand the meaning or treat it just as a drawing), they will pass... 3. Convince the population that avoiding dropouts is important, the government regularly runs massive marketing programs (doesn't even matter if government is left or right) saying how important it is for kids to finish school, and how great it is that now that they can't fail, they don't drop out.

DanBC 6y ago
> What I think is a major issue is that the UN "human rights" document says that schooling is mandatory and must teach about the UN (yep! it is a "human right" to be indoctrinated) Can you post a link to this human rights document please?
- speeder 6y ago
  https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ As for what I am talking about, read Article 26. I will quote the relevant phraseS (not the whole article) for brevity: "Elementary education shall be compulsory" and "Education shall ... tons of stuff ... and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace." And this is reinforced elsewhere. "Article 29.3: These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations." "Article 30: Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein." And just to explain why I said Brazil went with the cheating route after UN meddling: Until around 1970s, Brazil didn't need the IMF or anything like that, thus it was ignoring the UN regarding certain subjects, among them it was that then the approach to public schooling was that the purpose of the public school was the education of brilliant students, and those that didn't want to be there shouldn't be there, so bad students, bullies, etc... were outright kicked out.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    Article 26 is short and sweet, you may as well quote all of it. > Article 26. > (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit. > (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace. > (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children. You need to quote all of it to give the correct context. Here's article 29 in full: > Article 29. > (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. > (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. > (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations 29(3) is saying that nation states can't, for example, claim to be providing people with compulsory eduction when in fact those people are being indoctrinated.
  - rat87 6y ago
    Sounds like the UN was correct in criticizing Brazil for failing to uphold the rights of its people to get an education which likely resulted in significantly worse economic outcomes both on an individual level and for Brazil as a whole
sizeofchar 6y ago
You forgot: 4. Government gives money to families whose kids don't have more than 3 day misses per bimestrial.

DanBC 6y ago

> What I think is a major issue is that the UN "human rights" document says that schooling is mandatory and must teach about the UN (yep! it is a "human right" to be indoctrinated) Can you post a link to this human rights document please?

speeder 6y ago
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ As for what I am talking about, read Article 26. I will quote the relevant phraseS (not the whole article) for brevity: "Elementary education shall be compulsory" and "Education shall ... tons of stuff ... and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace." And this is reinforced elsewhere. "Article 29.3: These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations." "Article 30: Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein." And just to explain why I said Brazil went with the cheating route after UN meddling: Until around 1970s, Brazil didn't need the IMF or anything like that, thus it was ignoring the UN regarding certain subjects, among them it was that then the approach to public schooling was that the purpose of the public school was the education of brilliant students, and those that didn't want to be there shouldn't be there, so bad students, bullies, etc... were outright kicked out.
- DanBC 6y ago
  Article 26 is short and sweet, you may as well quote all of it. > Article 26. > (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit. > (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace. > (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children. You need to quote all of it to give the correct context. Here's article 29 in full: > Article 29. > (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. > (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. > (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations 29(3) is saying that nation states can't, for example, claim to be providing people with compulsory eduction when in fact those people are being indoctrinated.
- rat87 6y ago
  Sounds like the UN was correct in criticizing Brazil for failing to uphold the rights of its people to get an education which likely resulted in significantly worse economic outcomes both on an individual level and for Brazil as a whole

sizeofchar 6y ago

You forgot: 4. Government gives money to families whose kids don't have more than 3 day misses per bimestrial.