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> Your body is also designed to age and die, by the way. What is the reason to follow that design, anyway? No reason. I must. I am sure tech is here already to

> Your body is also designed to age and die, by the way. What is the reason to follow that design, anyway? No reason. I must. I am sure tech is here already to rise babies externally. That still doesn't change my design to want them because of feromones, reproductive system etc. When we are able to change that design (via viral patches for example) then we can talk about alternatives. > So why exactly would you like to die? I wouldn't like to die. I must die by design. There are many good reasons for it nowdays. When we have access to unlimited resources by becoming type 3 civilization, then we can talk about non dying. Even then, its unknown what infinite life brings to table. What if it backfires someway like in altered carbon ? Would you like that kind of society ? Like I said, health span. That is achievable nowdays. Lets be realistic or we can talk about pink elephants on the Mars too.

grishka 6y ago
> No reason. I must. You're a conscious being that has free will. Technically, the only thing you "must" obey is physics. Our ability to override these animalistic instincts is one of the things that makes us distinct from animals. Besides, making life-changing decisions with "no reason" is... I don't know... irresponsible with regard to yourself? > That still doesn't change my design to want them because of feromones, reproductive system etc. This doesn't make you want to have kids. This makes you want to have sex. > Like I said, health span. That is achievable nowdays. I don't think lifespan and healthspan are separable like you suggest. How do you even imagine that? A 30-year-old-looking person in perfect health just suddenly dying (of what?) at the chronological age of 90? That's not how this works. People die "of old age" because, well, they age, and their health declines as they age. If you don't age, your risk of death doesn't increase. That simple.
- majkinetor 6y ago
  > You're a conscious being that has free will. Technically, the only thing you "must" obey is physics That's what I do. The branch is biochemistry. Existence o free will is debatable - people are easily controlled via various chemicals: when to eat, sleep, love, hate, believe or to be conscious. As many of those are endogenous, it turns out that humans are spectrum. What you call belief might be nothing more then your body producing higher level of DHT compared to somebody else. If/when we override all of that, we will no longer be homosapiens. > Our ability to override these animalistic instincts is one of the things that makes us distinct from animals. It exists in Dune world and is called Gom Jabar, but every next day in this world it looks more and more to be just another typical anthropomorphic illusion. > Besides, making life-changing decisions with "no reason" is... I don't know... irresponsible with regard to yourself? Living in virtual worlds might be irresponsible too with regard to yourself and others. And besides, I clearly stated reason does exist, part of it biochemical, part of it because I admire certain parent-only-human-attributes. > This doesn't make you want to have kids. This makes you want to have sex. Semantncs. Sex is prereq for kids at this moment. I guess you didn't hear for oxy also ? > I don't think lifespan and healthspan are separable like you suggest. Of course they are. You can live 90 years like a champ and drop dead next day. Or you can treat your body like garbage can and live 70 years but half of it wished you were never born. Would you switch places with Hawking ? I am sure Kurzweil would not agree with you. :-) > Technically, the only thing you "must" obey is physics Technically, if we are being pedantic, this is also questionable and thing of faith. Simulation theory ?

grishka 6y ago

> No reason. I must. You're a conscious being that has free will. Technically, the only thing you "must" obey is physics. Our ability to override these animalistic instincts is one of the things that makes us distinct from animals. Besides, making life-changing decisions with "no reason" is... I don't know... irresponsible with regard to yourself? > That still doesn't change my design to want them because of feromones, reproductive system etc. This doesn't make you want to have kids. This makes you want to have sex. > Like I said, health span. That is achievable nowdays. I don't think lifespan and healthspan are separable like you suggest. How do you even imagine that? A 30-year-old-looking person in perfect health just suddenly dying (of what?) at the chronological age of 90? That's not how this works. People die "of old age" because, well, they age, and their health declines as they age. If you don't age, your risk of death doesn't increase. That simple.

majkinetor 6y ago
> You're a conscious being that has free will. Technically, the only thing you "must" obey is physics That's what I do. The branch is biochemistry. Existence o free will is debatable - people are easily controlled via various chemicals: when to eat, sleep, love, hate, believe or to be conscious. As many of those are endogenous, it turns out that humans are spectrum. What you call belief might be nothing more then your body producing higher level of DHT compared to somebody else. If/when we override all of that, we will no longer be homosapiens. > Our ability to override these animalistic instincts is one of the things that makes us distinct from animals. It exists in Dune world and is called Gom Jabar, but every next day in this world it looks more and more to be just another typical anthropomorphic illusion. > Besides, making life-changing decisions with "no reason" is... I don't know... irresponsible with regard to yourself? Living in virtual worlds might be irresponsible too with regard to yourself and others. And besides, I clearly stated reason does exist, part of it biochemical, part of it because I admire certain parent-only-human-attributes. > This doesn't make you want to have kids. This makes you want to have sex. Semantncs. Sex is prereq for kids at this moment. I guess you didn't hear for oxy also ? > I don't think lifespan and healthspan are separable like you suggest. Of course they are. You can live 90 years like a champ and drop dead next day. Or you can treat your body like garbage can and live 70 years but half of it wished you were never born. Would you switch places with Hawking ? I am sure Kurzweil would not agree with you. :-) > Technically, the only thing you "must" obey is physics Technically, if we are being pedantic, this is also questionable and thing of faith. Simulation theory ?