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> Apple _is_ a walled garden ecosystem. That has many obvious advantages, things just work, etc. This is just false. iOS is a walled garden. The Mac is not
by zepto 6y ago
> Apple _is_ a walled garden ecosystem. That has many obvious advantages, things just work, etc.
This is just false.
iOS is a walled garden. The Mac is not by anyone’s definition.
- ogre_codes 6y ago> The Mac is not by anyone’s definition. Seems to me like a whole lot of arguments about Apple involve changing accepted definitions of things or using different standards for Apple versus others. Apple does enough things wrong and I'm perfectly willing to accept those things and understand when people are frustrated by those things. No need to invent whole new things or shift definitions just so you can complain about them.
- zepto 6y ago> No need to invent whole new things or shift definitions just so you can complain about them. Since I agree with you, I assume this is aimed at the comment I’m responding to it, and those like it, rather than me.
- ogre_codes 6y agoNot you. Just frustrated by the seeming religious fervor some Apple-haters have. Seems like sometimes people are willing to go through great contortions to figure out how whatever Apple did is wrong. Totally understand why people might prefer Linux/ Windows/ Amiga/ whatever. People should just enjoy what they want.
- webmobdev 6y ago> Just frustrated by the seeming religious fervor some Apple-haters have. It goes both ways. I'd add that atleast the "Apple-haters" have more of a standing in defending open computing standards and demanding Apple be open too.
- zepto 6y agoDishonest redefinition doesn’t create standing. Also - why does hating Apple give anyone any right to demand anything from them? Why not demand more from people who are actually working on Open computing?
- ogre_codes 6y ago> more of a standing So you think ignoring facts and making nonsense gives you credibility so long as you hate the right people? Maybe in your own head.
- zepto 6y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26212454 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26212454
- saagarjha 6y agoIt is in some aspects, so I am not surprised that there are people willing to claim that the walls are too high for them. Personally, they could be a bit lower but I can still see over them I’m not up in arms quite yet.
- zepto 6y agoConfiguration defaults do not a walled garden make.
- fsflover 6y agoMac is a walled garden. What if I want to convert my OS to a VM and/or run it on a different hardware? AFAIK it’s prohibited by the license.
- unilynx 6y agoBy that definition, the OEM versions of Windows would be walled gardens too.
- fsflover 6y agoIn principle, yes. But at least you can switch to a differently licensed version of the OS if this is your concern.
- zepto 6y agoSure but the OEM version of Windows is not a walled garden. You are just trying to make a definition of walled garden that isn’t what people generally mean so you can include MacOS within it.
- fsflover 6y agoYes, it is. See the other discussion.
- zepto 6y agoThe other discussion links to a Wikipedia article which shows that it is not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26230338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26230338 Windows and MacOS have the same entries in the table which means it’s not a walled garden as defined in the piece.
- zepto 6y agoThat is nobody’s definition of a walled garden. You can run whatever you like on Mac Hardware. You can run whatever software you like on Mac OS. Installing MacOS on computers you haven’t licensed it for is just that. It’s not free software. It is commercial software. You are conflating the concept of commercial software with the concept of a walled garden.