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> I can also work a US based job, remotely in the EU, completely legally. You can also do that 100% legally as a non US citizen (I did), with the added advanta

by jo-m 6y ago

> I can also work a US based job, remotely in the EU, completely legally. You can also do that 100% legally as a non US citizen (I did), with the added advantage of not paying US taxes. You have to pay taxes and social security in the country where you reside, not where you are a citizen and/or work (mostly).

disabled 6y ago
In some countries, yes. This tends to be uncommon in the European Union. Croatia at the moment is a black sheep in the European Union, though, as it has an easy to get digital nomad visa: https://www.total-croatia-news.com/news/digital-nomads-in-croatia https://www.total-croatia-news.com/news/digital-nomads-in-cr... For the digital nomad visa in Estonia, for example, you need connections there to essentially get it. Czech Republic has a self-employment visa that allows you to work without formal business connections within the country, which is pretty unique among the European Union.
- jo-m 6y ago
  But no country will forbid you to reside in it when you are a citizen of it, and work for a remote company. I think the misunderstanding here from my side was that with "dual citizenship" you meant "having an additional non US passport", but I understood it as "also having an US passport".
soheil 6y ago
Not true, US is one of the only countries that requires you to pay taxes no matter you live or where you work as long as you're a US citizen and alive the IRS requires you to pay income tax.
- davchana 6y ago
  I think the other one is Eriteria.
- jo-m 6y ago
  That was my point (although possibly poorly worded): in this particular instance, dual citizenship is not an advantage. Just being a citizen of Croatia would have been better.
davchana 6y ago
> You have to pay taxes and social security in the country where you reside, not where you are a citizen and/or work (mostly). Only US & Eriteria taxes its residents/citizens' income, no matter where it generated. So a US born baby (us citizen by birth), moved to Europe back with parents, or even an adult us citizen working outside US has to file the IRS Return. Every year.
- frosted-flakes 6y ago
  Not if you're yearly income is less than $12000, and I don't think they'll go after you even if you make $100 thousand, because you still won't have to pay any US even if you do file (most countries have agreements with the US to avoid double-taxation below a certain amount). I know a lot of American citizens who live permanently in Canada, and not all of them file US taxes, including my mother in the decades she's lived in Canada.
  - davchana 6y ago
    Technically, by law, return is required for any income over $0.50, no taxes till world wide $12000(US+NonUS) or $107000 Foreign/NonUS income, but still, IRS expects a return filed. In practice, yes, not much problem.
    - frosted-flakes 6y ago
      There are advantages to filing even when it's not required. Oddly enough, the US government still paid me $1200 + $600 of COVID economic relief (auto-deposited to my US bank account) even though I haven't lived in the US for many years. I didn't think I'd be eligible, but apparently I am (just in case, I haven't spent the money yet). It's weird that they gave the money so freely.
      - jacobr1 6y ago
        The money was given out pretty indiscriminately (on purpose, they didn't want vetting to slow down the process). There has been massive fraud, but on the otherhand the benefits made a real difference to a lot of people at a time when that mattered. I think keeping the money "in escrow" is a good idea. I know I'm above the income limits for some of the benefits, but still got them. I expect I'll need to pay them back just as part of normal tax fillings.
dualthro 6y ago
Did your US company pay you as a contractor? Set up a foreign entity in your country to pay you? How did you get paid by American company, legally, while in a European country?

by jo-m 6y ago

disabled 6y ago

In some countries, yes. This tends to be uncommon in the European Union. Croatia at the moment is a black sheep in the European Union, though, as it has an easy to get digital nomad visa: https://www.total-croatia-news.com/news/digital-nomads-in-croatia https://www.total-croatia-news.com/news/digital-nomads-in-cr... For the digital nomad visa in Estonia, for example, you need connections there to essentially get it. Czech Republic has a self-employment visa that allows you to work without formal business connections within the country, which is pretty unique among the European Union.

jo-m 6y ago
But no country will forbid you to reside in it when you are a citizen of it, and work for a remote company. I think the misunderstanding here from my side was that with "dual citizenship" you meant "having an additional non US passport", but I understood it as "also having an US passport".

soheil 6y ago

Not true, US is one of the only countries that requires you to pay taxes no matter you live or where you work as long as you're a US citizen and alive the IRS requires you to pay income tax.

davchana 6y ago
I think the other one is Eriteria.
jo-m 6y ago
That was my point (although possibly poorly worded): in this particular instance, dual citizenship is not an advantage. Just being a citizen of Croatia would have been better.

davchana 6y ago

> You have to pay taxes and social security in the country where you reside, not where you are a citizen and/or work (mostly). Only US & Eriteria taxes its residents/citizens' income, no matter where it generated. So a US born baby (us citizen by birth), moved to Europe back with parents, or even an adult us citizen working outside US has to file the IRS Return. Every year.

frosted-flakes 6y ago
Not if you're yearly income is less than $12000, and I don't think they'll go after you even if you make $100 thousand, because you still won't have to pay any US even if you do file (most countries have agreements with the US to avoid double-taxation below a certain amount). I know a lot of American citizens who live permanently in Canada, and not all of them file US taxes, including my mother in the decades she's lived in Canada.
- davchana 6y ago
  Technically, by law, return is required for any income over $0.50, no taxes till world wide $12000(US+NonUS) or $107000 Foreign/NonUS income, but still, IRS expects a return filed. In practice, yes, not much problem.
  - frosted-flakes 6y ago
    There are advantages to filing even when it's not required. Oddly enough, the US government still paid me $1200 + $600 of COVID economic relief (auto-deposited to my US bank account) even though I haven't lived in the US for many years. I didn't think I'd be eligible, but apparently I am (just in case, I haven't spent the money yet). It's weird that they gave the money so freely.
    - jacobr1 6y ago
      The money was given out pretty indiscriminately (on purpose, they didn't want vetting to slow down the process). There has been massive fraud, but on the otherhand the benefits made a real difference to a lot of people at a time when that mattered. I think keeping the money "in escrow" is a good idea. I know I'm above the income limits for some of the benefits, but still got them. I expect I'll need to pay them back just as part of normal tax fillings.

dualthro 6y ago

Did your US company pay you as a contractor? Set up a foreign entity in your country to pay you? How did you get paid by American company, legally, while in a European country?