> For example I think back to all the drama with the early days of Ubuntu and how many in the Debian community were vehemently against the idea that someone ma

> For example I think back to all the drama with the early days of Ubuntu and how many in the Debian community were vehemently against the idea that someone make a distro that's easier for people to use. That is disingenuous. As much as I am annoyed by Debian gatekeeping, I am also gratefull that there still exist one Linux distribution that's serious about their users rights, aka software freedom, and that is able to properly discern, for instance, that Ubuntu was not going to be easier for newbies to install on their computers than it was going to be easier for Ubuntu to force, say, amazon crapware on newbies computers. I hate Debian gatekeeping yet one have to admit that's the last line of defense against appstores everywhere and the last living example of what user empowerment can be.