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The Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement. The statement is quite literally "the very
by tenpies 6y ago
The Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement.
The statement is quite literally "the very ground we're standing on doesn't even belong to us, but here we are saying that you are a citizen of . . . clearly not the land".
Their demographic experiment is also very interesting. About 10% of all Canadians don't actually live in Canada - that is an extremely large ratio. It is also a growing number, and as housing prices and lack of economic opportunity continue to drag, more Canadians leave. At the same time, the Canadian government is desperate to ignore these issues, and just bringing as many immigrants as possible so they can prop the housing market since it is the last bastion of their economy and accounts for a third of GDP when you factor in related services and industries. That was pre-COVID so now it's quite likely to be even larger.
It's a generational revolving door of immigrating, getting citizenship, and then watching your kids emigrate. I suspect that within our lifetimes we'll see >50% of Canadians actually live outside of Canada.
Being Canadian will be a sort of administrative identity more than anything resembling a citizenship.
- cinquemb 6y ago> Being Canadian will be a sort of administrative identity more than anything resembling a citizenship. This is pretty much how my US citizenship is now after living abroad for about 6 years and having a long term bearish outlook on NA, EU, China, Japan (demographics, sovereign/corp debt + real yields).
- btilly 6y agoThe Canadians citizenship ceremony to me was fascinating, because it begins with an aboriginal land acknowledgement. Since when? I grew up in Canada and obtained citizenship there in 1990. (After the USA decided that they were sick and tired of losing dual citizenship cases in the Supreme Court and stopped pursuing them.) There was no such acknowledgement of the ceremony that I took part in. Incidentally my children get to be Canadian. But my grandchildren do not unless they are born in Canada. That seems reasonable.
- Teever 6y agoI would imagine that this is a recent thing introduced by the Liberal government under Justin Trudeau.
- refurb 6y agoI was going to say, the current oath doesn’t have that in there at all. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/ceremony/oath.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/co...
- mattm 6y agoIt looks like this is mentioned as a possible change to the oath[1] from a 2015 report by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission[2]. But if the current government of Canada website lists the oath without the phrase "including treaties with Indigenous peoples", then I would guess it was never officially changed. Perhaps it was added as part of the ceremony in another manner but not officially in the oath. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citizenship-oath-indigenous-treaties-1.3963508 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citizenship-oath-indigenous... [2] http://nctr.ca/reports.php http://nctr.ca/reports.php
- juskrey 6y agoHousing is only a side effect. The main thing is, Canadians do not make enough children. With fertility rate less than 1.5, immigration is the only source of healthy population. That said, current requirement to have a job to immigrate, makes government locked in its own bureaucracy in current conditions. Businesses need people but no one wants to bet on human resource which needs months if not years to get there. US with 1.75 is not far ahead, and recent administrations games will soon create a similar crisis.
- moltar 6y agoCanadians don’t make enough children because nobody can afford it. Who wants to live in a studio or 1bd box with a kid?
- DC1350 6y agoCanada is barely a real country anyway. There’s no such thing as Canadian culture (it’s racist to imply there should be). All that’s left holding the people together is an economy that isn’t working for anyone who doesn’t already own a house. I can’t imagine it staying intact for the rest of the century