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Lol give me time to respond, I’ve already changed my post ten times. Jk, I don’t care. Thanks for arguing in good faith, that’s not something that ever happens

Lol give me time to respond, I’ve already changed my post ten times. Jk, I don’t care. Thanks for arguing in good faith, that’s not something that ever happens in this forum, I do appreciate that. E: Like i said, I do think that unless you explicitly buy the rights to a song, you don’t own it, you’re leasing it. Probably the only reason (judging by music lawyers behavior) to have the ability to a sort of ownership to physical media is because they had no way of stopping you from doing anything you want with your copy. Of course, that’s a different story today, I’m sure given a time machine, that would not have been a precedent. So that’s why I don’t like the argument from prior precedents, since it would not repeat given current tech.

blandflakes 6y ago
It's good to be reminded what we actually agree to. I find mp3 purchasing kind of hairy because it is certainly presented as a "buy" transaction rather than a lease. This is also true of video games and app stores, and then we get into fun situations where your google account gets banned for some reason and you lose, with no refund, all the apps you bought... I feel like the harm is great! I am also sympathetic to the "creators'" perspective. How can you make a profit if people take whatever you made without compensation? I think part of my cynicism here is that the recording industry has long exaggerated and argued in poor faith about what the harm of a download is - conflating downloads with lost sales at a 1:1 rate, which... isn't quite right. And their approach for securing things can be problematic, I remember having a hell of a time with iTunes back with their DRM solution, hating that I couldn't just play the song I had paid for. If only I'd pirated from the start... I think there's some axes along which things could be improved - the convenience axis - can I even buy (access to) the song without jumping through hoops? Can I pay to skip ads on whatever platform I'm using? How many different accounts do I need to get access to the music I'd like? Edit: Agreed, I think if they can get away with having control at all times with the music you have available, they will... and it's hard for me to decide whether there will be backlash or just general acceptance in the same vein as the rest of the walled garden trends we've seen over the years.

blandflakes 6y ago

It's good to be reminded what we actually agree to. I find mp3 purchasing kind of hairy because it is certainly presented as a "buy" transaction rather than a lease. This is also true of video games and app stores, and then we get into fun situations where your google account gets banned for some reason and you lose, with no refund, all the apps you bought... I feel like the harm is great! I am also sympathetic to the "creators'" perspective. How can you make a profit if people take whatever you made without compensation? I think part of my cynicism here is that the recording industry has long exaggerated and argued in poor faith about what the harm of a download is - conflating downloads with lost sales at a 1:1 rate, which... isn't quite right. And their approach for securing things can be problematic, I remember having a hell of a time with iTunes back with their DRM solution, hating that I couldn't just play the song I had paid for. If only I'd pirated from the start... I think there's some axes along which things could be improved - the convenience axis - can I even buy (access to) the song without jumping through hoops? Can I pay to skip ads on whatever platform I'm using? How many different accounts do I need to get access to the music I'd like? Edit: Agreed, I think if they can get away with having control at all times with the music you have available, they will... and it's hard for me to decide whether there will be backlash or just general acceptance in the same vein as the rest of the walled garden trends we've seen over the years.