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Obvious clarification: Destroying life on earth isn't the same as destroying the earth. Edit: Also, please don't bring up Chernobyl like that, without any comp

by tpmx 6y ago

Obvious clarification: Destroying life on earth isn't the same as destroying the earth. Edit: Also, please don't bring up Chernobyl like that, without any comparison to modern nuclear tech. Modern safe nuclear power is necessary for avoiding dramatic climate change, which would hurt a lot of humans (but not earth).

overboard2 6y ago
While I agree that nuclear power is important, I also think that trying to get people to include tangentially relevant opinions as context is a bad idea. While pushing your opinion on Chernobyl every time you mention Chernobyl might help to push that opinion, it decreases the signal to noise ratio of what you're trying to primarily convey. Additionally, it can introduce unnecessary opinions into otherwise neutral or slightly opinionated comments.
legulere 6y ago
Why do you think nuclear is necessary? Nuclear is stagnating at just 10% of global electricity and renewables are rapidly growing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_generation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_generation
- tpmx 6y ago
  There is no remotely efficent way to store very large volumes of electricity. Wind power works great sometimes, but we need electricity that works all of the the time. > Nuclear is stagnating at just 10% of global electricity At the moment the slack is increasingly being picked up by burning coal or oil. That's bad.
  - rurban 6y ago
    There is, at that's exactly how we do it for that last 100 years. Pumped-storage hydroelectricity. About 80% efficiency, and 95% of electricity is stored this way. Burning fossils is of course stupid. > Pumped storage is by far the largest-capacity form of grid energy storage available, and, as of 2020, the United States Department of Energy Global Energy Storage Database reports that PSH accounts for around 95% of all active tracked storage installations worldwide, with a total installed throughput capacity of over 181 GW. Wikipedia
    - tpmx 6y ago
      (Sorry, quite late reply.) Pumped storage requires: a) quite large height differentials b) a sizeable lake of water to be filled/emptied when needed. For most places this simply isn't practical.
rurban 6y ago
It is the same. Otherwise you would could live on Mars, where the atmosphere is gone, radiation strikes directly through, no life is possible. Modern nuclear tech obviously also could lead to such an outcome, that's why we banned them. But the biggest problem is politics, the assured strike-back policy, which almost destroyed earth a couple of times already. Plus corruption which led to the current climate crisis, leading to the destruction of the atmosphere. See Mars. Mars is dead, Earth just not yet.

by tpmx 6y ago

overboard2 6y ago

While I agree that nuclear power is important, I also think that trying to get people to include tangentially relevant opinions as context is a bad idea. While pushing your opinion on Chernobyl every time you mention Chernobyl might help to push that opinion, it decreases the signal to noise ratio of what you're trying to primarily convey. Additionally, it can introduce unnecessary opinions into otherwise neutral or slightly opinionated comments.

legulere 6y ago

Why do you think nuclear is necessary? Nuclear is stagnating at just 10% of global electricity and renewables are rapidly growing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_generation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_generation

tpmx 6y ago
There is no remotely efficent way to store very large volumes of electricity. Wind power works great sometimes, but we need electricity that works all of the the time. > Nuclear is stagnating at just 10% of global electricity At the moment the slack is increasingly being picked up by burning coal or oil. That's bad.
- rurban 6y ago
  There is, at that's exactly how we do it for that last 100 years. Pumped-storage hydroelectricity. About 80% efficiency, and 95% of electricity is stored this way. Burning fossils is of course stupid. > Pumped storage is by far the largest-capacity form of grid energy storage available, and, as of 2020, the United States Department of Energy Global Energy Storage Database reports that PSH accounts for around 95% of all active tracked storage installations worldwide, with a total installed throughput capacity of over 181 GW. Wikipedia
  - tpmx 6y ago
    (Sorry, quite late reply.) Pumped storage requires: a) quite large height differentials b) a sizeable lake of water to be filled/emptied when needed. For most places this simply isn't practical.

rurban 6y ago

It is the same. Otherwise you would could live on Mars, where the atmosphere is gone, radiation strikes directly through, no life is possible. Modern nuclear tech obviously also could lead to such an outcome, that's why we banned them. But the biggest problem is politics, the assured strike-back policy, which almost destroyed earth a couple of times already. Plus corruption which led to the current climate crisis, leading to the destruction of the atmosphere. See Mars. Mars is dead, Earth just not yet.