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This IS both sides. Both sides try to undermine when the other side is in power even when those actions hurt America overall. It's like cutting off your nose t

This IS both sides. Both sides try to undermine when the other side is in power even when those actions hurt America overall. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Thinking that your "team" is the good guys and the other are the bad guys is exactly why politicians get away with this. There is nuance in the world.

thesteamboat 6y ago
Both sides are guilty to some degree, but, and this is the crucial point, not to the SAME degree.
- throwaway20875 6y ago
  >Both sides are guilty to some degree, but, and this is the crucial point, not to the SAME degree. Yep, those other guys are way more polite as they destroy the future of my country for their own short term gain! If only they could rule some cities or states exclusively for decades I'm sure we'd see the kind of America that we all deserve exemplified at the local level!
- krapp 6y ago
  One side wants to bleed government out with a thousand cuts, drown it in a bathtub and then shoot it in the head, and is willing to commit ̶t̶r̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ light sedition to get what it wants, whereas the other side seems terminally allergic to any exercise of its own power on the rare occasion it can seize any. But hey, at least they find common ground in being in the pocket of corporate interests.
acdw 6y ago
> Thinking that your "team" is the good guys and the other are the bad guys is exactly why politicians get away with this. There is nuance in the world. This is really annoying to me /because/ I'm a liberal -- I sometimes /wish/ the more liberal in Congress would be more of a "team," but they're just /not/. And it /really/ pisses me off when people both sides the current political climate, because you have -- on Republicans' side -- an actual fascist uprising, multiple acts of terror, active dismantling of federal governmental agencies, rampant corruption /in the open/ ... while on the Democrats' side, they're corporatist and generally status-quo, which is not good, but it's /not/ the same. God, I /wish/ we could have a debate in this country about the benefits and drawbacks of different foreign policy initiatives, or tax policy, or whatever, but we /can't/ -- and I'm stuck with the lesser of two evils because you basically have one party that's actively trying to turn the US into a one-party state and another that isn't. I /wish/ we could say that "both parties are the same," because I'm pissed at both. I'm mad that Joe Biden is only pushing for $1400 in relief for /a year/ of Covid. I'm mad that the Democrats still aren't talking about getting rid of the camps at the border, that Obama did air strikes in the Middle East, that they haven't done anything about college debt, that they're so deep in pockets of business. But they are NOT the same as the Republicans. So stop saying they are.

thesteamboat 6y ago

Both sides are guilty to some degree, but, and this is the crucial point, not to the SAME degree.

throwaway20875 6y ago
>Both sides are guilty to some degree, but, and this is the crucial point, not to the SAME degree. Yep, those other guys are way more polite as they destroy the future of my country for their own short term gain! If only they could rule some cities or states exclusively for decades I'm sure we'd see the kind of America that we all deserve exemplified at the local level!
krapp 6y ago
One side wants to bleed government out with a thousand cuts, drown it in a bathtub and then shoot it in the head, and is willing to commit ̶t̶r̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ light sedition to get what it wants, whereas the other side seems terminally allergic to any exercise of its own power on the rare occasion it can seize any. But hey, at least they find common ground in being in the pocket of corporate interests.

acdw 6y ago

> Thinking that your "team" is the good guys and the other are the bad guys is exactly why politicians get away with this. There is nuance in the world. This is really annoying to me /because/ I'm a liberal -- I sometimes /wish/ the more liberal in Congress would be more of a "team," but they're just /not/. And it /really/ pisses me off when people both sides the current political climate, because you have -- on Republicans' side -- an actual fascist uprising, multiple acts of terror, active dismantling of federal governmental agencies, rampant corruption /in the open/ ... while on the Democrats' side, they're corporatist and generally status-quo, which is not good, but it's /not/ the same. God, I /wish/ we could have a debate in this country about the benefits and drawbacks of different foreign policy initiatives, or tax policy, or whatever, but we /can't/ -- and I'm stuck with the lesser of two evils because you basically have one party that's actively trying to turn the US into a one-party state and another that isn't. I /wish/ we could say that "both parties are the same," because I'm pissed at both. I'm mad that Joe Biden is only pushing for $1400 in relief for /a year/ of Covid. I'm mad that the Democrats still aren't talking about getting rid of the camps at the border, that Obama did air strikes in the Middle East, that they haven't done anything about college debt, that they're so deep in pockets of business. But they are NOT the same as the Republicans. So stop saying they are.