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Ask HN: What's the point of mandatory schooling?
To make sure everyone is on the same page, I'm talking about mandatory schooling from grades 6 through 12 in the United States. I'm also talking about an average school you'll find everywhere in the US, not the special schools they talk about in talks like TED.
For several years in my life, I've been wondering, what was the point of school? Various people throughout my life said that school was for learning. The interesting thing was, I learned 100x more on my own than from school. In fact, a lot of things school taught me was wrong, very very wrong and it took me several years to unlearn it. The worst areas were in history where almost everything I learned was a complete lie.
People also said, don't worry about the education but school should be for socializing. While true in a way, that isn't the whole story. Right now, looking back, the vast majority of kids I went with aren't doing that great. In fact, the most successful ones are the ones who socialized the least in school. If I did socialize with these kids, yes I would have more socializing skills but they would be with people who are A) working at extremely low paying jobs, B) doing massive amounts of drugs and alcohol, C) have kids that they are trying to take of with those low paying jobs, or D) stranded in the military trying to figure out a way to succeed (so far, those guys still haven't made it out). I mean, yes, there are some that came out and are doing great but those are a small minority of my graduating class.
I learned way more from socializing with grown adults and elderly than I did from school socialization. Most my education was self-reading and then finding and talking to adults in the field asking them questions about it while at school, the teachers were trying to continually teach me wrong stuff - and give me an F if I didn't agree with them!
Some say school is for jobs and well, these adults I learned to socialize with as a kid are more than willing to offer me jobs.
So which comes to my question. Early schooling was useful. It taught me how to read and write. But after that, what was the point of mandatory schooling? Why does everyone I know say school is so important even though I don't see that great results coming from the other end of the system? More importantly, why does everyone I see seem to miss it. Especially those in the lowest paying & horrible jobs out there.
From my end, it seems like I wasted (and still wasting trying to unlearn "wrong" material) several years of my life in school.
P.S. Again, the school I'm talking about is the average common school found in the US. Not those special schools you hear about in TED talks.
- cpr 15y agohttp://www.johntaylorgatto.com/ http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/ has your answer. (Though it looks like his site is down right now--odd. Google "john gatto" and you'll find lots of other materials.) Gatto was NY State Teacher of the year in 1990, and worked miracles with kids for 30 years in New York City, before giving up in disgust with the whole system. Compulsory public education was invented by social engineers who wanted to control and command the teeming masses and make them pliant workers in their mills and plants. The folks who backed early mass education were the robber barons. (This is well documented by Gatto.) The real point of public education is to dumb everyone down to the same level and beat any initiative or intellectual curiosity out of them. (See "Dumbing Us Down" by Gatto.) Oddly, some kids escape, most of them by learning on their own (as you've done). Taylor's main book on the subject, which is great on a whole bunch of levels, is: http://www.amazon.com/Underground-History-American-Education/dp/B000KF42JK http://www.amazon.com/Underground-History-American-Education... (check some of the reviews for others' takes). Also see some of Paul Graham's essays, which are strongly related: http://www.paulgraham.com/hs.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hs.html (What You'd Wish You'd Known) http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html (Why Nerds are Unpopular)
- cromulent 15y agoI suspect you are not one of the reasons why it exists. I would guess that the point is that if you give parents the choice (and it is probably up to the parents for most of the time) then the parents who decide to forgo schooling are the ones whose children need it the most. It's one of those greater good things. Societies who have mandatory schooling do better than those that don't (regardless of your experience) so societies choose mandatory schooling as soon as they can afford it. I sympathise with the need to play the game in schooling. It is a game, with scores, and refusal to play by the "rules" (social norms, accepting teachers as better) is not well received. However, many find the game worth playing, and high scores to be useful later in life. Some don't, and it sounds like you are one.
- rjweapon 15y agoSee "School is a prison" on Youtube
- gareim 15y ago