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I bought, and returned the Note Air. The build quality is impressive. I had it for 2 weeks, used it for about an hour daily, and set it to only poweroff after

I bought, and returned the Note Air. The build quality is impressive. I had it for 2 weeks, used it for about an hour daily, and set it to only poweroff after a day of inactivity. Its battery dropped from 100% to 48% over that time. Yes, I was quite positively impressed. However, their theft of code (which is what you do, if you do not respect the code license, eg, gpl), the fact that even a brand new model tablet was 3+ monthly Android security updates behind, and the pcaps I took showing all the phoning home, including IPs in China... Well... As I said, returned. Quite sad, loved the hardware.

graeme 6y ago
Would it be a security threat to have that on one’s home network? I’d mostly want it for reading articles online and email newsletters. I could make a burner email account for this purpose. That seems a tolerable tradeoff, as I don’t consider what I read on HN to be super sensitive. (Though others may reasonable differ there)
- throwaw4ybio 6y ago
  The trouble is that it is behind your security perimeter once it is on your home network. It can start discovering other devices, monitoring traffic, enumerating ports and services, etc.
  - CamTin 6y ago
    If you're set up for it, you can always set it up on a sandboxed SSID with access only to the internet (or even just to sites you choose, like an FTP server of your ebooks). This is probably a good idea with most sketchy gadgets that "need" access to the "internet" but will probably be off the table in coming years as it gets cheap enough for manufacturers to embed 5g connectivity if they want.
    - cweagans 6y ago
      Sounds like a lot of work when the alternative is just using a device that doesn’t spy on you in the first place. For instance, Remarkable is a great e—ink tablet that literally gives you the keys to the kingdom: there’s a UI in the product that gives you the root PW (which is set randomly for each device).
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      - graeme 6y ago
        Does remarkable have a web browser or email support? I don’t use chrome so it will be hard to add reader articles. Mostly I want to add them from twitter on ios.
        cweagans 6y ago
        Not as a 1st party feature, but there are several open source tools for doing that: https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable
        graeme 6y ago
        Wow those look great! Thanks. No email newsletter though right? Maybe I can make an rss feed out of them and use goosepaper or print them to pdf.
        lewisinc 6y ago
        You can print to a pdf from your browser and upload that to the device as a simple workaround. It's pretty straightforward.
        graeme 6y ago
        Oh that sounds pretty great. How is pdf legibility vs a formatted article? I have a kobo and remember finding some pdf articles small. Also how do you upload from the phone, can you print to a dropbox folder or the Remarkable phone app or some source so it is automatic?
    - graeme 6y ago
      Does Eero let you do this? That’s my router.
- morberg 6y ago
  Vote with your money. Don’t buy stuff from companies that are doing the wrong thing.
nonplussed 6y ago
https://youtu.be/ObtjXO_hEPw https://youtu.be/ObtjXO_hEPw This was a pretty thorough traffic analysis of their Max Lumi device. I think it would be pretty similar with the Note Air. I bought a Max Lumi after this as there didn't seem to be much concern.
dominotw 6y ago
> Its battery dropped from 100% to 48% over that time I have the same model with insane battery life. I think your unit might have been defective.
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- pyrophane 6y ago
  > and set it to only poweroff after a day of inactivity. Might it have been this?
  - bryanrasmussen 6y ago
    the poster is returning the device because of moral issues with the manufacturer, the anecdote regarding battery life was meant to indicate product quality (although rhetorically structured as a complaint and therefore confusing)
- simlevesque 6y ago
  14h hours using up only 52% is impressive to me.

graeme 6y ago

Would it be a security threat to have that on one’s home network? I’d mostly want it for reading articles online and email newsletters. I could make a burner email account for this purpose. That seems a tolerable tradeoff, as I don’t consider what I read on HN to be super sensitive. (Though others may reasonable differ there)

throwaw4ybio 6y ago
The trouble is that it is behind your security perimeter once it is on your home network. It can start discovering other devices, monitoring traffic, enumerating ports and services, etc.
- CamTin 6y ago
  If you're set up for it, you can always set it up on a sandboxed SSID with access only to the internet (or even just to sites you choose, like an FTP server of your ebooks). This is probably a good idea with most sketchy gadgets that "need" access to the "internet" but will probably be off the table in coming years as it gets cheap enough for manufacturers to embed 5g connectivity if they want.
  - cweagans 6y ago
    Sounds like a lot of work when the alternative is just using a device that doesn’t spy on you in the first place. For instance, Remarkable is a great e—ink tablet that literally gives you the keys to the kingdom: there’s a UI in the product that gives you the root PW (which is set randomly for each device).
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    - graeme 6y ago
      Does remarkable have a web browser or email support? I don’t use chrome so it will be hard to add reader articles. Mostly I want to add them from twitter on ios.
      - cweagans 6y ago
        Not as a 1st party feature, but there are several open source tools for doing that: https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable
        graeme 6y ago
        Wow those look great! Thanks. No email newsletter though right? Maybe I can make an rss feed out of them and use goosepaper or print them to pdf.
      - lewisinc 6y ago
        You can print to a pdf from your browser and upload that to the device as a simple workaround. It's pretty straightforward.
        graeme 6y ago
        Oh that sounds pretty great. How is pdf legibility vs a formatted article? I have a kobo and remember finding some pdf articles small. Also how do you upload from the phone, can you print to a dropbox folder or the Remarkable phone app or some source so it is automatic?
  - graeme 6y ago
    Does Eero let you do this? That’s my router.
morberg 6y ago
Vote with your money. Don’t buy stuff from companies that are doing the wrong thing.

nonplussed 6y ago

https://youtu.be/ObtjXO_hEPw https://youtu.be/ObtjXO_hEPw This was a pretty thorough traffic analysis of their Max Lumi device. I think it would be pretty similar with the Note Air. I bought a Max Lumi after this as there didn't seem to be much concern.

dominotw 6y ago

> Its battery dropped from 100% to 48% over that time I have the same model with insane battery life. I think your unit might have been defective.

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pyrophane 6y ago
> and set it to only poweroff after a day of inactivity. Might it have been this?
- bryanrasmussen 6y ago
  the poster is returning the device because of moral issues with the manufacturer, the anecdote regarding battery life was meant to indicate product quality (although rhetorically structured as a complaint and therefore confusing)
simlevesque 6y ago
14h hours using up only 52% is impressive to me.