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I call bullshit. Teenagers aren't complete in their development yet. That's why you can, and should, train and teach them. Teaching empathy is of course diffic

I call bullshit. Teenagers aren't complete in their development yet. That's why you can, and should, train and teach them. Teaching empathy is of course difficult and don't forget that the bullied peers are also teenagers that might behave "weirdly" (no victim blaming intended). But the whole thing still needs to be taught as it is a horrible thing that exists in reality. Compare this to drugs, STD, or plain old reckless behavior. You tell your teenagers not to take pills, use condoms, and not dive headfirst into unknown waters, right? Not everyone does this successfully, but there is no reason not to talk about it, just because your teenager will Roll their eyes. If that's any criterion, most parents would probably not talk to their kids at all between 12 and 20...

jkhdigital 6y ago
I think the real disagreement here is about how to effectively socialize children, not about whether they can be socialized at all. Hyperbolic arguments aside, we can agree that humans can be socialized to behave as good members of a community, but humans who are not socialized will frequently behave like animals.
- airhead969 6y ago
  Yes. Effectively socialize. The other issue is that humans are always going to be human, and seek will-to-power to advance their status to promote their genes and improve their lot in life. There's no undoing or wishing away human nature, only mild adjustments with nurture that we must keep trying to do with pragmatism.
lr4444lr 6y ago
He didn't say not to do anything. He said the (current) programs were pretending realities didn't exist, or that they could be scolded away. This is basically why the "Just Say No" anti-drug campaign failed.
- airhead969 6y ago
  Nancy, the 40th and first woman POTUS. ;) By being celebrities in their own bubbles, archaically-simplistic, and close-minded, the Reagans couldn't grasp reality or have empathy for anyone else. HIV/AIDS, final destruction of mental healthcare systems, War on Drugs, CIA crack epidemic-Iran Contra, and many more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals
cobraetor 6y ago
> I call bullshit. Teenagers aren't complete in their development yet. That's why you can, and should, train and teach them. You are absolutely right. - If you were an anti-bullying organization, what methodologies exactly would you device for parents and educators to intervene so as to train and teach teenagers to the point that bullying is minimized? - What made the past and current anti-bullying organizations fail in their efforts? - Do we adults understand what works and what doesn't in preventing bullying? What about bullying among adults?

jkhdigital 6y ago

I think the real disagreement here is about how to effectively socialize children, not about whether they can be socialized at all. Hyperbolic arguments aside, we can agree that humans can be socialized to behave as good members of a community, but humans who are not socialized will frequently behave like animals.

airhead969 6y ago
Yes. Effectively socialize. The other issue is that humans are always going to be human, and seek will-to-power to advance their status to promote their genes and improve their lot in life. There's no undoing or wishing away human nature, only mild adjustments with nurture that we must keep trying to do with pragmatism.

lr4444lr 6y ago

He didn't say not to do anything. He said the (current) programs were pretending realities didn't exist, or that they could be scolded away. This is basically why the "Just Say No" anti-drug campaign failed.

airhead969 6y ago
Nancy, the 40th and first woman POTUS. ;) By being celebrities in their own bubbles, archaically-simplistic, and close-minded, the Reagans couldn't grasp reality or have empathy for anyone else. HIV/AIDS, final destruction of mental healthcare systems, War on Drugs, CIA crack epidemic-Iran Contra, and many more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals

cobraetor 6y ago

> I call bullshit. Teenagers aren't complete in their development yet. That's why you can, and should, train and teach them. You are absolutely right. - If you were an anti-bullying organization, what methodologies exactly would you device for parents and educators to intervene so as to train and teach teenagers to the point that bullying is minimized? - What made the past and current anti-bullying organizations fail in their efforts? - Do we adults understand what works and what doesn't in preventing bullying? What about bullying among adults?