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This isn't a bug, this is an explicit decision they made. It caused a bit of a stir at the time, but they went through with the change anyways. Personally for

by tedivm 6y ago

This isn't a bug, this is an explicit decision they made. It caused a bit of a stir at the time, but they went through with the change anyways. Personally for me it was the last straw, and I've since moved to Firefox.

sk5t 6y ago
Firefox, with account containers.
nwsm 6y ago
I find many many websites are broken on firefox.
- em-bee 6y ago
  i don't find that, but maybe i am not using the same websites. can you give some examples?
  - DangitBobby 6y ago
    I can't give you any specific examples, but as a Firefox user, I can tell you that many forms, especially e-commerce checkouts forms, are slightly broken in Firefox. They are often broken enough that you must switch to Chrome to submit a payment.
    - tweetle_beetle 6y ago
      This really surprises me. I've used Firefox exclusively for years and have never not been able to complete an action because of it (unless it was my own fault - disabling required third party scripts, etc). Why can't you give examples - is it just memory, or something else?
      - DangitBobby 6y ago
        It's never bigger places like Amazon, I've only had it happen on little shops like websites that sell Indie games. I don't remember which ones it's happened on, but it's happened a few times. I shouldn't have said "many," it's just that it's quite irritating when it happens.
  - nonameiguess 6y ago
    This happened to me yesterday trying to buy Starlink Beta after getting the email from them that it's finally available in my city. I followed the link and couldn't fill out the credit card information. The form fields just didn't respond to typing. I turned off uMatrix and turned off Firefox tracking protection, and still nothing. Switched to Edge and it worked fine.
- tedivm 6y ago
  So far the only thing that I've found to be broken is Google's Slideshow presentation mode.
  - taauji 6y ago
    Works fine for me. The only site that is broken for me if removeddit
PurpleFoxy 6y ago
Honestly for the average user it makes perfect sense. They said that they found the average user did not understand the difference between logging out of chrome and logging out of google so they would accidentally leave one logged in. If you don’t trust google with your data then you shouldn’t use chrome at all.
- mrgreenfur 6y ago
  I wonder id these layers of logins and fallbacks are the initial intention to improve user tracking. Does chrome os login serve as another layer?
  - 177tcca 6y ago
    100%. That's one of the biggest complaints about ChromeOS, despite its excellent security paradigm compared to standard desktop setups: the user auth/activity pings it sends Google.
    - d1zzy 6y ago
      Is there something like Chromium but for ChromeOS? I wouldn't worry about Google pings with Chromium (I mean, if they are, they are in the source code and can be ripped out) so it should work similarly for community ChromeOS builds.
Graffur 6y ago
I also moved away from Chrome around that time
177tcca 6y ago
> This isn't a bug, this is an explicit decision they made. It caused a bit of a stir at the time, but they went through with the change anyways. > Personally for me it was the last straw, and I've since moved to Firefox. Your security currently suffers if you choose Firefox over a Chromium variant. This feels as shitty for me to write as it will to read.
- tmnvix 6y ago
  Could you please elaborate?
  - 177tcca 6y ago
    https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht...
    - 177tcca 6y ago
      I posted this as an independent post for visibility, and it was killed within minutes, can't even access it. I understand the side of the debate that begs sticking with Gecko as an alternative etc etc, but, is it really off-topic here to show people the realistic comparison? A Mozilla hard-fork of Chromium would be a huge kick in the nads, emotionally, but it certainly would accomplish many of the things Firefox would need to reinvent to hope for parity ever again.

by tedivm 6y ago

sk5t 6y ago

Firefox, with account containers.

nwsm 6y ago

I find many many websites are broken on firefox.

em-bee 6y ago
i don't find that, but maybe i am not using the same websites. can you give some examples?
- DangitBobby 6y ago
  I can't give you any specific examples, but as a Firefox user, I can tell you that many forms, especially e-commerce checkouts forms, are slightly broken in Firefox. They are often broken enough that you must switch to Chrome to submit a payment.
  - tweetle_beetle 6y ago
    This really surprises me. I've used Firefox exclusively for years and have never not been able to complete an action because of it (unless it was my own fault - disabling required third party scripts, etc). Why can't you give examples - is it just memory, or something else?
    - DangitBobby 6y ago
      It's never bigger places like Amazon, I've only had it happen on little shops like websites that sell Indie games. I don't remember which ones it's happened on, but it's happened a few times. I shouldn't have said "many," it's just that it's quite irritating when it happens.
- nonameiguess 6y ago
  This happened to me yesterday trying to buy Starlink Beta after getting the email from them that it's finally available in my city. I followed the link and couldn't fill out the credit card information. The form fields just didn't respond to typing. I turned off uMatrix and turned off Firefox tracking protection, and still nothing. Switched to Edge and it worked fine.
tedivm 6y ago
So far the only thing that I've found to be broken is Google's Slideshow presentation mode.
- taauji 6y ago
  Works fine for me. The only site that is broken for me if removeddit

PurpleFoxy 6y ago

Honestly for the average user it makes perfect sense. They said that they found the average user did not understand the difference between logging out of chrome and logging out of google so they would accidentally leave one logged in. If you don’t trust google with your data then you shouldn’t use chrome at all.

mrgreenfur 6y ago
I wonder id these layers of logins and fallbacks are the initial intention to improve user tracking. Does chrome os login serve as another layer?
- 177tcca 6y ago
  100%. That's one of the biggest complaints about ChromeOS, despite its excellent security paradigm compared to standard desktop setups: the user auth/activity pings it sends Google.
  - d1zzy 6y ago
    Is there something like Chromium but for ChromeOS? I wouldn't worry about Google pings with Chromium (I mean, if they are, they are in the source code and can be ripped out) so it should work similarly for community ChromeOS builds.

Graffur 6y ago

I also moved away from Chrome around that time

177tcca 6y ago

> This isn't a bug, this is an explicit decision they made. It caused a bit of a stir at the time, but they went through with the change anyways. > Personally for me it was the last straw, and I've since moved to Firefox. Your security currently suffers if you choose Firefox over a Chromium variant. This feels as shitty for me to write as it will to read.

tmnvix 6y ago
Could you please elaborate?
- 177tcca 6y ago
  https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht...
  - 177tcca 6y ago
    I posted this as an independent post for visibility, and it was killed within minutes, can't even access it. I understand the side of the debate that begs sticking with Gecko as an alternative etc etc, but, is it really off-topic here to show people the realistic comparison? A Mozilla hard-fork of Chromium would be a huge kick in the nads, emotionally, but it certainly would accomplish many of the things Firefox would need to reinvent to hope for parity ever again.