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My god... a 200+ MB install footprint, 200+ MB of RAM usage, requires a beefy GPU just to render its window. How did we get here?

brodock 6y ago
I think we got there also by desperation of lacking good cross-platform GUI toolkits. The current state is, you either use something that looks like Windows 95 in all platforms, or web app. What the web made possible is to anyone to create a decent custom UI with little effort. I still remember how messed up was to create a custom component for Java Swing, which I believe is still one of the easiest to do. How would you do that for QT? GTK? WxWidgets? etc
- dleslie 6y ago
  I'll take Win95 in a heartbeat; consistent, accessible, responsive and clear. Vastly superior to the majority of web interfaces.
  - kilburn 6y ago
    Also totally inflexible, you better have the right-sized screen/resolution: too small and you can't see that "ok" button; too large and you'll have a ridiculously small and crammed winform to fill/see your information.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Most cross platform toolkits support layout managers, since Motif days. Actually even WinForms supports them, even though too many are happily doing fixed canvas positioning without using them.
    - dleslie 6y ago
      Windows has shipped an accessibility magnifier since the 90s, before hidpi was a thing.
- smt1 6y ago
  Qt is (still) very good at being cross platform and native looking. Actually, I think qml is easier than the webstack for newbies, perhaps not C++ though.
- krzyk 6y ago
  Take a look at Telegram client, looks great on Linux, not sure how it looks on macos or Windows.
  - morpheuskafka 6y ago
    Interesting Telegram has both a native (Swift/Obj-C not sure which) and an cross-platform-codebase app for macOS. The former is called Telegram for macOS and the latter Telegram Desktop. Both are on the app store even. So it would actually be a very good case to compare performance, etc. The native one presumably shares a lot of code with iOS which is probably why it exists at all, and it supports secret chats. Otherwise they have similar but slightly different design and features. However, I think the Telegram Desktop client is not Electron either, it is just regular C++ compiled on different systems.
    - krzyk 6y ago
      Yes, Telegram Desktop is a normal C++ app: https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop So a cross-platform is quite easy, Electron one would need to be tested for different webviews on each system.
mekkkkkk 6y ago
I might be crazy, but for me it's faster and more convenient to download and run Etcher than to read up on dd command arguments and device paths. Storage space is plentiful for me. RAM isn't an issue as it's only run once in a blue moon. Is it crazy bloated and resource hungry for what it does? Undeniably! Does it matter? Not for me. Electron resource use can be painful for apps that are running constantly, like Discord, VSCode and Slack. For utilities like Etcher, who cares.
- davegauer 6y ago
  I realize I'm replying six days later - but I can't help mentioning that the "dd situation" is even crazier than it first appears: you can just use `cp foo.iso /dev/sdb` or `cat > /dev/sdb`. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/189091/220387 https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/189091/220387 https://eklitzke.org/the-cult-of-dd https://eklitzke.org/the-cult-of-dd

brodock 6y ago

I think we got there also by desperation of lacking good cross-platform GUI toolkits. The current state is, you either use something that looks like Windows 95 in all platforms, or web app. What the web made possible is to anyone to create a decent custom UI with little effort. I still remember how messed up was to create a custom component for Java Swing, which I believe is still one of the easiest to do. How would you do that for QT? GTK? WxWidgets? etc

dleslie 6y ago
I'll take Win95 in a heartbeat; consistent, accessible, responsive and clear. Vastly superior to the majority of web interfaces.
- kilburn 6y ago
  Also totally inflexible, you better have the right-sized screen/resolution: too small and you can't see that "ok" button; too large and you'll have a ridiculously small and crammed winform to fill/see your information.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Most cross platform toolkits support layout managers, since Motif days. Actually even WinForms supports them, even though too many are happily doing fixed canvas positioning without using them.
  - dleslie 6y ago
    Windows has shipped an accessibility magnifier since the 90s, before hidpi was a thing.
smt1 6y ago
Qt is (still) very good at being cross platform and native looking. Actually, I think qml is easier than the webstack for newbies, perhaps not C++ though.
krzyk 6y ago
Take a look at Telegram client, looks great on Linux, not sure how it looks on macos or Windows.
- morpheuskafka 6y ago
  Interesting Telegram has both a native (Swift/Obj-C not sure which) and an cross-platform-codebase app for macOS. The former is called Telegram for macOS and the latter Telegram Desktop. Both are on the app store even. So it would actually be a very good case to compare performance, etc. The native one presumably shares a lot of code with iOS which is probably why it exists at all, and it supports secret chats. Otherwise they have similar but slightly different design and features. However, I think the Telegram Desktop client is not Electron either, it is just regular C++ compiled on different systems.
  - krzyk 6y ago
    Yes, Telegram Desktop is a normal C++ app: https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop So a cross-platform is quite easy, Electron one would need to be tested for different webviews on each system.

mekkkkkk 6y ago

I might be crazy, but for me it's faster and more convenient to download and run Etcher than to read up on dd command arguments and device paths. Storage space is plentiful for me. RAM isn't an issue as it's only run once in a blue moon. Is it crazy bloated and resource hungry for what it does? Undeniably! Does it matter? Not for me. Electron resource use can be painful for apps that are running constantly, like Discord, VSCode and Slack. For utilities like Etcher, who cares.

davegauer 6y ago
I realize I'm replying six days later - but I can't help mentioning that the "dd situation" is even crazier than it first appears: you can just use `cp foo.iso /dev/sdb` or `cat > /dev/sdb`. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/189091/220387 https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/189091/220387 https://eklitzke.org/the-cult-of-dd https://eklitzke.org/the-cult-of-dd