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I have a feeling SSRIs work for a reason we would never expect. In fact, I have a feeling nearly all mental disorders work according to rules we do not even ima

I have a feeling SSRIs work for a reason we would never expect. In fact, I have a feeling nearly all mental disorders work according to rules we do not even imagine now. It seems to me medical psychology has some great analogies to 1320s science, and the only answers that will come will be after my death.

spurgu 6y ago
Yeah it's pretty much witchcraft at this point still.
- loveistheanswer 6y ago
  Funny you should put it that way, because Psychiatry as a field historically evolved directly out of the witch hunts of the Inquisition.[1] As the Church fell out of favor during the Enlightenment the very first Psychiatrists literally asserted that all the people who were labeled witches by the Inquisition were actually just "mentally ill", even though their understanding of the mind and their methods used to "treat" it (torture, mostly) had hardly changed at all. [1]https://www.amazon.com/Manufacture-Madness-Comparative-Inquisition-Movement/dp/0815604610 https://www.amazon.com/Manufacture-Madness-Comparative-Inqui...
maxerickson 6y ago
Nuplazid seems to have a pretty clear theory of what it is doing. It's an anti-psychotic that is currently targeted at Parkinson's disease related psychosis; hallucinations and delusions are fairly common in people with Parkinson's disease.
carapace 6y ago
There is an effective, rigorous school of psychology called Neurolinguistic Programming but it's got a bad rep in scientific/academic circles (the Wikipedia entry calls it out as pseudoscience.) FWIW I was cured of a chronic, crushing depression in a single session that lasted no more than ten minutes or so. (I don't know exactly how long it was because I was in a deep trance. Subjectively it was only a few moments.)
- hackerbabz 6y ago
  What the heck did they do in that session?
  - tsimionescu 6y ago
    They did this one weird trick! Doctors hate them! I'm sure they'll tell us for just one easy payment. Which is to say, it's probably just a simple lie - either one they are telling us, or one that has been told to them.
    - carapace 6y ago
      Dude, I'm right here. You're calling me a liar|fool and that's not very civil. C'mon. The seminar cost US$4000 but I only used about ten minutes of it. Best investment of my life. Helped me stop being homeless and kick off my career as a professional programmer. Ah, story time... I just remembered how I couldn't bring myself to go to CodeCon. I had a ticket. I got as close as the corner. I just stood there and watched my fellow nerds walk up and go into the building for a while and then went home. (You can't explain these things to normal people. They can't relate. My mom once said to me, "I know you're not faking this because no one would ever choose to be this miserable." which was actually more comforting than you might imagine.) Anyway, next time, after my depression was cured, not only did I attend CodeCon, but I gave a presentation that went really well, and got my first job as a professional programmer. Literally a guy walked up to me after the presentation and asked if I would be willing to move. Turns out with out the crushing depression holding me back I'm not too shabby. Yay! - - - - Ha! The audio of my presentation is on the Archive! https://archive.org/details/codecon-2004-audio/CodeCon_2004-02-20_2.mp3 https://archive.org/details/codecon-2004-audio/CodeCon_2004-... (Man, I sound so soupy. Packed nasal passages, no resonance. Allergies.) I'm still bangin' away on the idea from time to time: https://sr.ht/~sforman/Xerblin/ https://sr.ht/~sforman/Xerblin/
      - tsimionescu 6y ago
        I'm sorry, but you're claiming you spent 4000 dollars and 10 minutes to cure a disease that millions of doctors and patients struggle with their entire lives. Furthermore, based on this personal experience, you claim that NLP is not the pure crackpot lunacy that it is, but some advanced, misunderstood science. You may have personally been extremely lucky and experienced essentially a miracle. But what you are claiming is similar to people claiming they cured cancer with healing crystals, or prayed the lupus away. There is no way to take your claim any more seriously: you are either lying or you experienced an extremely lucky break, and were lied to about the cause. There is no other way to react to people promoting pseudoscience, especially in medicine. Someone else who is suffering could be duped by your well-meaning sharing of this experience into throwing their good money away on bullshit in hopes of reproducing a miracle.

spurgu 6y ago

Yeah it's pretty much witchcraft at this point still.

loveistheanswer 6y ago
Funny you should put it that way, because Psychiatry as a field historically evolved directly out of the witch hunts of the Inquisition.[1] As the Church fell out of favor during the Enlightenment the very first Psychiatrists literally asserted that all the people who were labeled witches by the Inquisition were actually just "mentally ill", even though their understanding of the mind and their methods used to "treat" it (torture, mostly) had hardly changed at all. [1]https://www.amazon.com/Manufacture-Madness-Comparative-Inquisition-Movement/dp/0815604610 https://www.amazon.com/Manufacture-Madness-Comparative-Inqui...

maxerickson 6y ago

Nuplazid seems to have a pretty clear theory of what it is doing. It's an anti-psychotic that is currently targeted at Parkinson's disease related psychosis; hallucinations and delusions are fairly common in people with Parkinson's disease.

carapace 6y ago

There is an effective, rigorous school of psychology called Neurolinguistic Programming but it's got a bad rep in scientific/academic circles (the Wikipedia entry calls it out as pseudoscience.) FWIW I was cured of a chronic, crushing depression in a single session that lasted no more than ten minutes or so. (I don't know exactly how long it was because I was in a deep trance. Subjectively it was only a few moments.)

hackerbabz 6y ago
What the heck did they do in that session?
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  They did this one weird trick! Doctors hate them! I'm sure they'll tell us for just one easy payment. Which is to say, it's probably just a simple lie - either one they are telling us, or one that has been told to them.
  - carapace 6y ago
    Dude, I'm right here. You're calling me a liar|fool and that's not very civil. C'mon. The seminar cost US$4000 but I only used about ten minutes of it. Best investment of my life. Helped me stop being homeless and kick off my career as a professional programmer. Ah, story time... I just remembered how I couldn't bring myself to go to CodeCon. I had a ticket. I got as close as the corner. I just stood there and watched my fellow nerds walk up and go into the building for a while and then went home. (You can't explain these things to normal people. They can't relate. My mom once said to me, "I know you're not faking this because no one would ever choose to be this miserable." which was actually more comforting than you might imagine.) Anyway, next time, after my depression was cured, not only did I attend CodeCon, but I gave a presentation that went really well, and got my first job as a professional programmer. Literally a guy walked up to me after the presentation and asked if I would be willing to move. Turns out with out the crushing depression holding me back I'm not too shabby. Yay! - - - - Ha! The audio of my presentation is on the Archive! https://archive.org/details/codecon-2004-audio/CodeCon_2004-02-20_2.mp3 https://archive.org/details/codecon-2004-audio/CodeCon_2004-... (Man, I sound so soupy. Packed nasal passages, no resonance. Allergies.) I'm still bangin' away on the idea from time to time: https://sr.ht/~sforman/Xerblin/ https://sr.ht/~sforman/Xerblin/
    - tsimionescu 6y ago
      I'm sorry, but you're claiming you spent 4000 dollars and 10 minutes to cure a disease that millions of doctors and patients struggle with their entire lives. Furthermore, based on this personal experience, you claim that NLP is not the pure crackpot lunacy that it is, but some advanced, misunderstood science. You may have personally been extremely lucky and experienced essentially a miracle. But what you are claiming is similar to people claiming they cured cancer with healing crystals, or prayed the lupus away. There is no way to take your claim any more seriously: you are either lying or you experienced an extremely lucky break, and were lied to about the cause. There is no other way to react to people promoting pseudoscience, especially in medicine. Someone else who is suffering could be duped by your well-meaning sharing of this experience into throwing their good money away on bullshit in hopes of reproducing a miracle.