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He also explicitly told everyone to "fight like hell". I mean, if he's using double speak I can't help that but one part of what he said triggered a percentage

He also explicitly told everyone to "fight like hell". I mean, if he's using double speak I can't help that but one part of what he said triggered a percentage of the people to try to find and kill US Congress people, steal computer equipment and other office supplies, and kill police officers. You're asking everyone who watched the capitol riots to ignore what they saw with their own eyes.

cobraetor 6y ago
> "fight like hell". I think taking quotes out of context does not present things as they actually happened or provide a fair analysis. We have to be careful of cherry-picking. Here's the full context: “fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” ... “We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we’ve been forced to believe over the past several weeks.” Per legal scholars, like Jonathan Turley,[1], "those words could be equally consistent with calling for a protest, not violence, as many groups routinely do at state and federal capitals." which explains why the legal system has not been able to convict Trump. People seem to have varying opinions on this topic, but at the end of the day if you look at the facts, it becomes much simpler to understand. [1] https://jonathanturley.org/2021/02/11/reckless-rhetoric-is-a-reckless-standard-for-an-impeachment-trial/comment-page-2/ https://jonathanturley.org/2021/02/11/reckless-rhetoric-is-a...
throwawaysea 6y ago
I don't think what he said triggered anyone to find and kill US Congress people. You're making that claim and connection, but there is no evidence to prove that causality and I am simply not convinced. If someone takes his rhetoric (which I find disagreeable) and thinks it means they should go commit such an act, I feel like almost the entirety of the responsibility is on them as individuals. Also, consider that Democrats frequently use the same rhetoric when they are talking to their own audiences as well. The Trump defense team showed a 9 minute clip of Democrats using the word "fight" in the recent impeachment proceedings (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-impeachment-defense-team-shows-134739231.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-impeachment-defense-team-sh...).
mc32 6y ago
I’ve heard lots of pols call out “fight like hell” mostly on the dem side, but you hear it from both. During the summer riots we also heard “burn the motherf$&@er down!” etc.

cobraetor 6y ago

> "fight like hell". I think taking quotes out of context does not present things as they actually happened or provide a fair analysis. We have to be careful of cherry-picking. Here's the full context: “fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” ... “We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we’ve been forced to believe over the past several weeks.” Per legal scholars, like Jonathan Turley,[1], "those words could be equally consistent with calling for a protest, not violence, as many groups routinely do at state and federal capitals." which explains why the legal system has not been able to convict Trump. People seem to have varying opinions on this topic, but at the end of the day if you look at the facts, it becomes much simpler to understand. [1] https://jonathanturley.org/2021/02/11/reckless-rhetoric-is-a-reckless-standard-for-an-impeachment-trial/comment-page-2/ https://jonathanturley.org/2021/02/11/reckless-rhetoric-is-a...

throwawaysea 6y ago

I don't think what he said triggered anyone to find and kill US Congress people. You're making that claim and connection, but there is no evidence to prove that causality and I am simply not convinced. If someone takes his rhetoric (which I find disagreeable) and thinks it means they should go commit such an act, I feel like almost the entirety of the responsibility is on them as individuals. Also, consider that Democrats frequently use the same rhetoric when they are talking to their own audiences as well. The Trump defense team showed a 9 minute clip of Democrats using the word "fight" in the recent impeachment proceedings (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-impeachment-defense-team-shows-134739231.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-impeachment-defense-team-sh...).

mc32 6y ago

I’ve heard lots of pols call out “fight like hell” mostly on the dem side, but you hear it from both. During the summer riots we also heard “burn the motherf$&@er down!” etc.