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Maybe off topic but I’d never heard of whitedate.net. Is that considered something bad? I mean it’s a little weird and creepy from the look of it but plenty of

Maybe off topic but I’d never heard of whitedate.net. Is that considered something bad? I mean it’s a little weird and creepy from the look of it but plenty of exclusionary dating sites exist. I can even think of a few others that exclude based on race.

wizzwizz4 6y ago
The kinds of people you'd meet on a site called "whitedate.net" are probably not worth meeting.
- fleshdaddy 6y ago
  Oh yeah absolutely I wouldn’t even be allowed to join. The commenter just mentioned it in the same breath as the daily stormer so I’m wondering whether they find it racist in the same way dailystormer is because it wouldn’t seem that way to me.
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
    The general idea… might be okay? But this implementation is clearly by white supremacists, for white supremacists: • Among their social medias, they list Gab • "Trad life", "RedPill" and "Without White Children We Will Perish" are on their about page • > By the way, this is the list of companies supporting BLM. Just in case you were wondering whom to boycott.
  - matthewmacleod 6y ago
    Well, it's an overtly, explicitly white-supremacist dating site. It exhorts people to "have white babies" because "only white people create white societies"; it links out to several lists of "pro-white" media including the aforementioned Daily Stormer, various "white genocide" blogs, and Stormfront; and it had forums full of posts on topics like "intentional miscegenation in advertising". It would honestly be pretty hard for me to think of a more obviously racist website. The thing is with this stuff… it kind of makes sense that you would find dating sites that revolve around a particular cultural or minority background. You'll find sites primarily for gay men, lesbians, Muslims, people with disabilities and so on. That's because the default culture of a "mainstream" dating site is going to be "generally mainstream able-bodied heterosexual white-ish", and people who have a cultural context that doesn't align with that can have a bit of a tough time with those. A site focusing on "white dating"—at least in the Anglosphere—doesn't really have the same reason for existing. I mean on the surface level, something like "white dating" is the same kind of thing "muslim dating", and I could certainly see some circumstances in which it might not be deliberately bad. But the former is immediately super suspicious, and inevitably a peek behind the curtain shows it up for what it is.
    - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
      The tell for this is that the term "white people" is used almost exclusively in discussions of race rather than culture, because "white people" are an internally diverse group without a unified culture. You can find the individual subcultures all over the place in Irish pubs and Polish clubs and so on, where you can go and find people immersed in that subculture and not really expect to find a lot of Actual Nazis. But if you go to a place that calls itself "white people" when that term only really gets used for race, what do you expect to find? It's kind of a stupid idea for anti-racists to even keep using the term, given that the group has no identity outside of defunct 20th century pseudoscience notions of race and preserving and promoting the idea of it as any kind of coherent group is only fortifying tribalist lines we should instead be trying to dissolve.
      - arthur_pryor 6y ago
        > It's kind of a stupid idea for anti-racists to even keep using the term, given that the group has no identity outside of defunct 20th century pseudoscience notions of race and preserving and promoting the idea of it as any kind of coherent group is only fortifying tribalist lines we should instead be trying to dissolve. yeah, this is kind of a tough one, though... because people need to be able to talk about the hegemony of the group that identifies itself as white at the expense of the groups that are excluded from that identification. and always saying something like "the cartel that calls itself white, where some members aren't even consciously colluding" is kind of a clunker. esp for people who don't think/read about this stuff on their own, and who just think of "white" as a simple and natural ethnic delineation, to the degree that any ethnic delineation can be thought of as simple or natural =) race, including "whiteness" is a scientific and biological fiction invented and accepted to maintain (and hide) a caste system. but through the assiduous maintenance of that lie, it has become a different sort of social reality. not using the term "white" makes it incredibly hard to talk with most people about the issue. but using the term "white" as most people (superficially) think of it also helps cement its pernicious effects. pretty difficult jam our society has gotten into there. "the people who call themselves white" is the best terminology approach i've seen to dealing with this, but even that is still quite clunky, and may still make the speaker sound like a hand-wringing liberal to anyone who's not already on board with the viewpoint that race is a pernicious and unscientific lie.

wizzwizz4 6y ago

The kinds of people you'd meet on a site called "whitedate.net" are probably not worth meeting.

fleshdaddy 6y ago
Oh yeah absolutely I wouldn’t even be allowed to join. The commenter just mentioned it in the same breath as the daily stormer so I’m wondering whether they find it racist in the same way dailystormer is because it wouldn’t seem that way to me.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  The general idea… might be okay? But this implementation is clearly by white supremacists, for white supremacists: • Among their social medias, they list Gab • "Trad life", "RedPill" and "Without White Children We Will Perish" are on their about page • > By the way, this is the list of companies supporting BLM. Just in case you were wondering whom to boycott.
- matthewmacleod 6y ago
  Well, it's an overtly, explicitly white-supremacist dating site. It exhorts people to "have white babies" because "only white people create white societies"; it links out to several lists of "pro-white" media including the aforementioned Daily Stormer, various "white genocide" blogs, and Stormfront; and it had forums full of posts on topics like "intentional miscegenation in advertising". It would honestly be pretty hard for me to think of a more obviously racist website. The thing is with this stuff… it kind of makes sense that you would find dating sites that revolve around a particular cultural or minority background. You'll find sites primarily for gay men, lesbians, Muslims, people with disabilities and so on. That's because the default culture of a "mainstream" dating site is going to be "generally mainstream able-bodied heterosexual white-ish", and people who have a cultural context that doesn't align with that can have a bit of a tough time with those. A site focusing on "white dating"—at least in the Anglosphere—doesn't really have the same reason for existing. I mean on the surface level, something like "white dating" is the same kind of thing "muslim dating", and I could certainly see some circumstances in which it might not be deliberately bad. But the former is immediately super suspicious, and inevitably a peek behind the curtain shows it up for what it is.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    The tell for this is that the term "white people" is used almost exclusively in discussions of race rather than culture, because "white people" are an internally diverse group without a unified culture. You can find the individual subcultures all over the place in Irish pubs and Polish clubs and so on, where you can go and find people immersed in that subculture and not really expect to find a lot of Actual Nazis. But if you go to a place that calls itself "white people" when that term only really gets used for race, what do you expect to find? It's kind of a stupid idea for anti-racists to even keep using the term, given that the group has no identity outside of defunct 20th century pseudoscience notions of race and preserving and promoting the idea of it as any kind of coherent group is only fortifying tribalist lines we should instead be trying to dissolve.
    - arthur_pryor 6y ago
      > It's kind of a stupid idea for anti-racists to even keep using the term, given that the group has no identity outside of defunct 20th century pseudoscience notions of race and preserving and promoting the idea of it as any kind of coherent group is only fortifying tribalist lines we should instead be trying to dissolve. yeah, this is kind of a tough one, though... because people need to be able to talk about the hegemony of the group that identifies itself as white at the expense of the groups that are excluded from that identification. and always saying something like "the cartel that calls itself white, where some members aren't even consciously colluding" is kind of a clunker. esp for people who don't think/read about this stuff on their own, and who just think of "white" as a simple and natural ethnic delineation, to the degree that any ethnic delineation can be thought of as simple or natural =) race, including "whiteness" is a scientific and biological fiction invented and accepted to maintain (and hide) a caste system. but through the assiduous maintenance of that lie, it has become a different sort of social reality. not using the term "white" makes it incredibly hard to talk with most people about the issue. but using the term "white" as most people (superficially) think of it also helps cement its pernicious effects. pretty difficult jam our society has gotten into there. "the people who call themselves white" is the best terminology approach i've seen to dealing with this, but even that is still quite clunky, and may still make the speaker sound like a hand-wringing liberal to anyone who's not already on board with the viewpoint that race is a pernicious and unscientific lie.