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People in places like the UK just need a quick and easy way to evade website blocks. > Access to this website has been blocked under an Order of the Higher Cou

by DanBC 6y ago

People in places like the UK just need a quick and easy way to evade website blocks. > Access to this website has been blocked under an Order of the Higher Court. > Any TalkTalk customer affected by the Court Order has a right under the Court Order to apply to vary or discharge it. Any such application must: > (i) clearly indicate the identity and status of the applicant; > (ii) be supported by evidence setting out and justifying the grounds of the application; and > (iii) be made on 10 days notice to all of the parties to the Court Order. > For further details click here. https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Articles/Blocked-websites/ta-p/2204638 https://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Articles/Blocked-website...

emayljames 6y ago
There are gonna be 0 chances of getting a waiver. You would probably have to be law enforcement/lawyer's with a talktalk connection and involvement in the case.
- tialaramex 6y ago
  Switch to an ISP that doesn't do censorship and so isn't subject to these orders. Andrews & Arnold. The big ISPs all wanted to be "family friendly" by doing DNS blocking, but A&A isn't interested in "friendly" so it has no capability to do that. When courts issued these rulings they all say obviously if you don't have blocking you can't and needn't block this thing either. They are not a budget offering, and they don't believe in "unlimited" bandwidth, but their prices are fair and the service is excellent. It's the difference between hiding a joint in your safe so there's less chance the cops find it and marching to just make weed legal.
  - hertzrat 6y ago
    Iirc, I think most people do not have a choice of isp where they live
    - tialaramex 6y ago
      In the UK, which is what we're talking about, the situation goes like this: For most people there is FTTC or FTTP owned by "Openreach" the successor to the national telephone monopoly which thus owns most of the "last mile" of copper cable either under pavements in urban areas or hanging from telegraph poles elsewhere. Openreach doesn't offer service to end users, its products are wholesale only, ISPs buy the wholesale product, at prices fixed by regulation, and sell Internet service (they also of course need to buy backhaul, routers, set up a call centre and so on, Openreach just makes the "last mile" work) Thus, most big UK ISPs are using Openreach and you could switch to any of the others (including A&A), in principle literally overnight, since all the physical infrastructure is unchanged, just somebody has to plug different values into a database so they're billing a different ISP and your traffic goes to that ISP not the previous one. [ Under the hood it's slightly more complicated because you can buy some backhaul from Openreach or from competitors who own long distance fibres. In a major city it may be cheaper to use some startup to get 10Gbps of data from your customers in that city to your data centre in another city, after Openreach gathers it all up somewhere, rather than paying Openreach, who also own fibre, to move that data to your data centre. ] The main exception is if you have cable TV in your area (most larger cities, some suburban regions) you can choose to buy the DOCSIS service from the only company that owns all large cable TV service in the UK, Virgin Cable. In this case Virgin is your only possible ISP. For maybe 10% of UK residents this is the most practical way to get "good" Internet access, a larger percentage could buy this, but they could also switch to an ISP using Openreach and still get acceptable Internet access. A relatively small number of users live somewhere with no decent Internet via Openreach, no cable TV, but enough local enthusiasm plus money to bury fibre and build their own network. In these cases again the only ISP is the one that buried the cable, but they're usually community owned, so I guess if they do censorship (and I don't know if they do) you'd be better placed to argue that policy should change than I am.
      - hertzrat 6y ago
        That’s not a terrible system from the sounds of it. Speaking of fibre, how is the rollout going? It seems like, if private companies own the last mile for fibre, the system described will eventually not really exist in 20ish years as people gradually upgrade?
SahAssar 6y ago
TOR is a very inefficient way around that if you don't care about privacy.
- mixedCase 6y ago
  Yes, but it is freely accessible and doesn't require you to find a free proxy, which might still be a less secure proposition than Tor on Brave.
- Wolfenstein98k 6y ago
  It's a right-click away for any user. What could be more efficient for brief firewall hops?

by DanBC 6y ago

emayljames 6y ago

There are gonna be 0 chances of getting a waiver. You would probably have to be law enforcement/lawyer's with a talktalk connection and involvement in the case.

tialaramex 6y ago
Switch to an ISP that doesn't do censorship and so isn't subject to these orders. Andrews & Arnold. The big ISPs all wanted to be "family friendly" by doing DNS blocking, but A&A isn't interested in "friendly" so it has no capability to do that. When courts issued these rulings they all say obviously if you don't have blocking you can't and needn't block this thing either. They are not a budget offering, and they don't believe in "unlimited" bandwidth, but their prices are fair and the service is excellent. It's the difference between hiding a joint in your safe so there's less chance the cops find it and marching to just make weed legal.
- hertzrat 6y ago
  Iirc, I think most people do not have a choice of isp where they live
  - tialaramex 6y ago
    In the UK, which is what we're talking about, the situation goes like this: For most people there is FTTC or FTTP owned by "Openreach" the successor to the national telephone monopoly which thus owns most of the "last mile" of copper cable either under pavements in urban areas or hanging from telegraph poles elsewhere. Openreach doesn't offer service to end users, its products are wholesale only, ISPs buy the wholesale product, at prices fixed by regulation, and sell Internet service (they also of course need to buy backhaul, routers, set up a call centre and so on, Openreach just makes the "last mile" work) Thus, most big UK ISPs are using Openreach and you could switch to any of the others (including A&A), in principle literally overnight, since all the physical infrastructure is unchanged, just somebody has to plug different values into a database so they're billing a different ISP and your traffic goes to that ISP not the previous one. [ Under the hood it's slightly more complicated because you can buy some backhaul from Openreach or from competitors who own long distance fibres. In a major city it may be cheaper to use some startup to get 10Gbps of data from your customers in that city to your data centre in another city, after Openreach gathers it all up somewhere, rather than paying Openreach, who also own fibre, to move that data to your data centre. ] The main exception is if you have cable TV in your area (most larger cities, some suburban regions) you can choose to buy the DOCSIS service from the only company that owns all large cable TV service in the UK, Virgin Cable. In this case Virgin is your only possible ISP. For maybe 10% of UK residents this is the most practical way to get "good" Internet access, a larger percentage could buy this, but they could also switch to an ISP using Openreach and still get acceptable Internet access. A relatively small number of users live somewhere with no decent Internet via Openreach, no cable TV, but enough local enthusiasm plus money to bury fibre and build their own network. In these cases again the only ISP is the one that buried the cable, but they're usually community owned, so I guess if they do censorship (and I don't know if they do) you'd be better placed to argue that policy should change than I am.
    - hertzrat 6y ago
      That’s not a terrible system from the sounds of it. Speaking of fibre, how is the rollout going? It seems like, if private companies own the last mile for fibre, the system described will eventually not really exist in 20ish years as people gradually upgrade?

SahAssar 6y ago

TOR is a very inefficient way around that if you don't care about privacy.

mixedCase 6y ago
Yes, but it is freely accessible and doesn't require you to find a free proxy, which might still be a less secure proposition than Tor on Brave.
Wolfenstein98k 6y ago
It's a right-click away for any user. What could be more efficient for brief firewall hops?